Television Netflix seems to be pouring all the money it doesn't have into its live action One Piece adaptation...

[Ghost_MH]

So much being built for what's going to end up being so expensive, Netflix cancels it two weeks after its premier. 

 

 

If you haven't seen the cast so far, here you go...

 

Casting has been disgustingly spot on. Again, it's a shame it'll be canceled after a single season.

[Greatoneshere]

I have no faith this will be good. It's a completely whacked out show. I don't get why they're bothering. Maybe the algorithm told them to do it.

[Ghost_MH]

6 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

I have no faith this will be good. It's a completely whacked out show. I don't get why they're bothering. Maybe the algorithm told them to do it.

 

One of the industry's fastest growing foreign language genre are K-dramas based on Korean manhwa. On top of that, Netflix has been seeing some great success with their anime selection. Somewhere, the algorithm is combining those two stats and reading live action anime is where it's at.

 

I think they're just focusing on the wrong series and fucking up the ones that should work. Maybe take on more romantic comedies or horror series, maybe some slice of life stuff. Teasing Master Tagaki could be pretty damn adorable. Tomodachi Game would work fine. Akebi's Sailor Uniform? Sure.

 

Even more ambition stuff could work fine. Cowboy Bebop should have worked, but they should have stayed a little more true to the source and given it more of a chance to breath. Death Note should have worked, but it didn't for the exact same reasons.

 

Hell, I think something like Puella Magi Madoka Magica, but I have zero faith in Netflix being able to pull it off. It would be like an actually good Sucker Punch.

 

One Piece. One Piece makes no sense to me. My Hero Academia? Yeah, that would work. Demon Slayer? Yeah, that would be fine. Jujutsu Kaisen? Yeah, that could be fun. Spy X Family? Hell yeah. Sakamoto Days? Why not. That could be hilarious and I can think of a few people that would be pretty great as Sakamoto. One Piece is just such a wild choice other than it being the biggest manga/anime on Earth.

 

Still, it's a shame to put all this effort and money into something they'll cancel in three weeks.

[Kal-El814]

I don't know anything about One Piece, someone tell me if that's too many white people.

[Greatoneshere]

2 hours ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

One of the industry's fastest growing foreign language genre are K-dramas based on Korean manhwa. On top of that, Netflix has been seeing some great success with their anime selection. Somewhere, the algorithm is combining those two stats and reading live action anime is where it's at.

 

Still, it's a shame to put all this effort and money into something they'll cancel in three weeks.

 

Yeah, agreed, there's so many do-able anime that could be done in live action. Acid trip tournament shonen fighting anime with animals and water and whacked out boats and crazy fantasy shit? First, even cutting out the filler, the show will need to be hundreds of episodes to adapt everything. The characters would have to stay the same age. And you need an astronomical budget north of Speed Racer's back when that came out, and a talent as good as the Wachowskis. This is gonna crash and burn.

[Bacon]

I have watched over a thousand episodes of one piece

I will not even watch one second of this 

Casting is fine but ew live action

[Ghost_MH]

6 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

I don't know anything about One Piece, someone tell me if that's too many white people.

 

The cast of One Piece was always meant to be a bit of a racial rainbow, so it looks like they're trying to cast for the ethnicities Oda always envisioned...though not always hitting the mark.

 

Luffy should be Brazilian. Iñaki Godoy is Mexican

Zoro is Japanese and so is Mackenyu

Nami is Swedish while Emily Rudd is American

Usopp is "African" while Jacob Gibson is American

Sanji is French while Taz Skyler is Spanish

 

...and so on. I still think they're looks hit more often than they don't. Casting of the main cast isn't the issue.

 

It's that One Piece is a cartoon. It's just a step above Saturday morning cartoon. Big Mom is 29 FEET tall. Her 38th kid is half Tontatta. They're like 5 INCHES tall. Not even how people are born make sense in this series.

[Greatoneshere]

12 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

It's that One Piece is a cartoon. It's just a step above Saturday morning cartoon. Big Mom is 29 FEET tall. Her 38th kid is half Tontatta. They're like 5 INCHES tall. Not even how people are born make sense in this series.

 

Exactly this. The anime is fantastic (I'm unfortunately behind of course, I'm around episode 530, stopped watching a few years ago, I always come and go with it) but the anime makes no sense. It does make sense given the tone and atmosphere of the anime, it all works within the internal logic of the anime but in live action it just, I have no idea how it can work. One arc takes place entirely in the sky amongst enormous clouds. The fight scenes will be impossible to recreate.

 

I'm expecting something akin to the live-action Hollywood movie Dragonball: Evolution. Cowboy Bebop and Death Note at least seemed possible (Death Note should have been a show over a movie, but otherwise could have been done well) but One Piece??

 

Hilarious sidenote: Dragonball: Evolution cared so little about its source material it couldn't even get the title right: the official title is branded as Dragon Ball; Dragon Ball Z; Dragon Ball GT; Dragon Ball Super, and so on, with a space between the words Dragon and Ball. But the official title of the movie is, indeed, Dragonball, one word.  

[Ghost_MH]

Someone explain to me that I'm just exhausted, because this is either a great trailer or this actually doesn't look like trash.

 

 

[Bacon]

20 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

Someone explain to me that I'm just exhausted, because this is either a great trailer or this actually doesn't look like trash.

The Death Note trailer was not trash either IIRC. Maybe Cowboy Bebop's trailers as well.

[Kal-El814]

2 hours ago, Bacon said:

The Death Note trailer was not trash either IIRC. Maybe Cowboy Bebop's trailers as well.

 

Everything about Cowboy Bebop was trash.

[Fizzzzle]

5 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Everything about Cowboy Bebop was trash.

I actually didn't hate cowboy Bebop, and I'm a huge fan of the anime.

 

I think live action anime adaptations are something that haven't been figured out yet, though. Maybe they never will be.

[Kal-El814]

Just now, Fizzzzle said:

I actually didn't hate cowboy Bebop, and I'm a huge fan of the anime.

 

I think live action anime adaptations are something that haven't been figured out yet, though. Maybe they never will be.

 

Everything about the live action version felt like it was made by an AI that was forced to smoke ketamine.

[Fizzzzle]

Just now, Kal-El814 said:

 

Everything about the live action version felt like it was made by an AI that was forced to smoke ketamine.

Maybe it was just because I went in with zero expectations, but I watched the whole season in one night. I thought it was a shame they cancelled it immediately. Of all the shit TV I've watched over the last couple years, it's not even close to the bottom 10.

[Keyser_Soze]

1 hour ago, Fizzzzle said:

Maybe it was just because I went in with zero expectations, but I watched the whole season in one night. I thought it was a shame they cancelled it immediately. Of all the shit TV I've watched over the last couple years, it's not even close to the bottom 10.

 

Maybe live action anime are great plane movie/shows.

[Fizzzzle]

8 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Maybe live action anime are great plane movie/shows.

[Keyser_Soze]

Now I'm here to witness the uproar that Nami has a t-shirt on.

[Ghost_MH]

40 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Now I'm here to witness the uproar that Nami has a t-shirt on.

 

The only thing wrong with Nami's look is that pre-timeskip Nami had shorter hair. That's about it. Everything and everyone else is pretty damn accurate.

[legend]

14 hours ago, Ghost_MH said:

Someone explain to me that I'm just exhausted, because this is either a great trailer or this actually doesn't look like trash.

 

 

 

Never watched one piece. Animes that go on forever never really interest me much. (Side thought: maybe if I got high regularly these kinds of animes would be more interesting).

 

That said, while this trailer suggests they're giving it the old college try, I'm still unconvinced they can pull it off. Good animes are often good because they're animes. Even the more grounded ones tend to lean into the art direction to their advantage. Animation allows you to exaggerate emotions and aspects of the scene without it breaking immersion. You might still get a good story without that, but I don't see anything being gained from it being live action either.

 

Maybe it being a live action means they have to make it more concise though, in which case maybe that is a reason for me to watch the live action version since I otherwise don't want to engage with the never ending random stories. That might be the best reason for it I can give!

[Mercury33]

I don’t know shit about One Piece but uhhh that trailer seemed fun so I’ll check it out. 

[Greatoneshere]

15 hours ago, Fizzzzle said:

I think live action anime adaptations are something that haven't been figured out yet, though. Maybe they never will be.

 

I felt the Wachowskis' Speed Racer nailed it as an adaptation of Speed Racer, the anime. Great movie. Most all other adaptations have been terrible. As for this . . . uhhh . . . I just don't believe you can adapt One Piece when it already has over a 1000 episodes, even if you condensed shit considerably. Things get insane in later story arcs starting around episode 100 when you have sky islands and shit and I can't see them even getting the story to that point before it gets cancelled, much less adapt it if they do get there, they'd need astronomical budgets. Early One Piece until they recruit Sanji is pretty basic (and honestly only okay - One Piece only really gets going once you get to Sanji, the cooks, and the Baratie arc, which starts around episode 20 in the anime).

[Keyser_Soze]

Supposedly Oda had some involvement in this so it is possible it might not be bad. Personally just from the trailer I think it seems pretty good and shows a lot of promise which is better than I can say for a lot of other live action adaptions. I don't think it really matters too much if it never gets to 1000 episodes. Give these handful of episodes  a chance and if it's good then that's nice if it's bad then nothing of value was lost.

[Greatoneshere]

13 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

Supposedly Oda had some involvement in this so it is possible it might not be bad. Personally just from the trailer I think it seems pretty good and shows a lot of promise which is better than I can say for a lot of other live action adaptions. I don't think it really matters too much if it never gets to 1000 episodes. Give these handful of episodes  a chance and if it's good then that's nice if it's bad then nothing of value was lost.

 

Just seems like a pointless endeavor ultimately is all.

[Keyser_Soze]

8 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

Just seems like a pointless endeavor ultimately is all.

 

Well I've said that for a long time. But if they insist then do a good job of making something that's not needed.

[Greatoneshere]

2 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Well I've said that for a long time. But if they insist then do a good job of making something that's not needed.

 

Of course, I doubt it will be good for other reasons, but of course if they insist on making this I want it to be good, but I can't fathom it will be.

[Kal-El814]

Problems with live action adaptations of anime aside, I honestly don't think it's a problem to have even one season of a show adapting a property that either won't end or will have 1,000+ episodes. The original Berserk anime fucking ruled and it ended on one of the most dramatic (and traumatic) cliffhangers of all time.

[Ghost_MH]

2 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

Problems with live action adaptations of anime aside, I honestly don't think it's a problem to have even one season of a show adapting a property that either won't end or will have 1,000+ episodes. The original Berserk anime fucking ruled and it ended on one of the most dramatic (and traumatic) cliffhangers of all time.

 

You aren't wrong, but I still feel the urge to point out that Berserk 97 came out in an era when a lot of anime ended on weird cliffhanger since a good chunk of the anime being produced was little more than advertisement for their respective manga. You'd just get 12-26 episodes of anime that just didn't get satisfying endings with the expectation that you'd pick up the manga to continue the story.

[Jason]

18 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

Everything about Cowboy Bebop was trash.

 

Where's that gif that's as a tap dancing stick figure? 

[Greatoneshere]

28 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

Problems with live action adaptations of anime aside, I honestly don't think it's a problem to have even one season of a show adapting a property that either won't end or will have 1,000+ episodes. The original Berserk anime fucking ruled and it ended on one of the most dramatic (and traumatic) cliffhangers of all time.

 

It's one of my favorite anime of all time but people/viewers generally hated the ending, so creating something good we know will fail is fine but means little when adapting something. Game of Thrones fucking ruled until seasons 7+8 where it went even more off book and was overall pretty terrible and it seems a lot of viewers don't even bother to go back and watch the good seasons because of how bad the ending was. I'm still absolutely glad we got Berserk 97 and Game of Thrones seasons 1-6 but we already have the anime in One Piece's case. In GoT and Berserk's cases it was moving from the written word (and pictures) to adding motion, music, etc. A live-action adaptation of an already bonkers manga that's already been made into an excellent anime feels more pointless than usual unless they can (a) make it good; and (b) keep it going for more than one season. We'll see.

 

6 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

You aren't wrong, but I still feel the urge to point out that Berserk 97 came out in an era when a lot of anime ended on weird cliffhanger since a good chunk of the anime being produced was little more than advertisement for their respective manga. You'd just get 12-26 episodes of anime that just didn't get satisfying endings with the expectation that you'd pick up the manga to continue the story.

 

And all of this. It's crazy to me that anime these days take breaks, get multiple seasons, etc. It took anime forever to get to this point and it's way better, back then was a different time.

[Kal-El814]

2 hours ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

You aren't wrong, but I still feel the urge to point out that Berserk 97 came out in an era when a lot of anime ended on weird cliffhanger since a good chunk of the anime being produced was little more than advertisement for their respective manga. You'd just get 12-26 episodes of anime that just didn't get satisfying endings with the expectation that you'd pick up the manga to continue the story.

Yeah that’s true. But I don’t know that it would be bad if something like Detective Conan never ended, and if it didn’t, I think it’d be fine to adapt bits and pieces. 
 

But I know where you’re coming from. 
 

Besides I feel like stuff like American comics never end, and adapting bits and pieces is not only fine, but occasionally good since you can choose the best bits. 
 

2 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

It's one of my favorite anime of all time but people/viewers generally hated the ending,

That is because they are cowards.

 

 

 

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

On 6/17/2023 at 6:16 PM, Ghost_MH said:

Someone explain to me that I'm just exhausted, because this is either a great trailer or this actually doesn't look like trash.

 

 

the trailer did have some charm that is often missing in live action anime adaptations. I don’t know if the whole show will maintain that level of charm. 
 

Im still not sure why they need a live action version as I’m sure it is vastly more expensive than the OG animated version to produce. 
 

anyways, big problem I do have with this is it still looks odd. It looks like fan project with cos-play, albeit an expensive fan project. But maybe it will strike a chord with people who have never and will never see the anime. Though even if it this is popular, there is no way it’s sticking around for 20+ years like the anime. 

[Keyser_Soze]

 

Luffy getting emotional 🥹

[Ghost_MH]

1 hour ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Im still not sure why they need a live action version as I’m sure it is vastly more expensive than the OG animated version to produce. 

 

From what I understand, Oda assumed One Piece would never get a live action adaptation, let alone an American one. Once he found out Netflix was interested, he jumped at the "once in a lifetime" opportunity to get involved with a big budget American production. That pushed Netflix since this adaptation would gain some legitimacy with Oda's involvement, which is a lot more than what Netflix normally gets with live action anime.

 

I know why there's a lot of anime doesn't work as live action, and I feel like everyone is ignoring Kenshin. The live action Kenshin movies are so good and so successful the 96 anime is getting a reboot this summer ala FMA Brotherhood in spite of Watsuki being caught with a ton of child porn.

[Jason]

20 hours ago, Jason said:

Where's that gif that's as a tap dancing stick figure? 

 

17 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

coward

 

[Greatoneshere]

1 hour ago, Ghost_MH said:

I know why there's a lot of anime doesn't work as live action, and I feel like everyone is ignoring Kenshin. The live action Kenshin movies are so good and so successful the 96 anime is getting a reboot this summer ala FMA Brotherhood in spite of Watsuki being caught with a ton of child porn.

 

The Kenshin movies are a great example of live-action anime done right, love those movies. Of course, Kenshin's story is much shorter and thus far more adaptable than One Piece is, and it got 5 movies to do it. To be fair, they condensed a lot without losing much (surprisingly), so if One Piece wants to succeed at all, they should try doing the same. Again though, as good as the Kenshin movies are, the anime is better (obviously TV show vs. movies means far more time with many more characters). 

 

I think it was doubly surprising they were good movies since Japanese live-action adaptations of their manga, anime and videogames are usually garbage-tier. Death Note, Gantz, and so on and so forth. Even Takashi Miike struggled to adapt JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. 

 

Edit: I'm looking forward to the new Kenshin anime - we'll finally get a full adaptation (I'm assuming) of the Revenge arc, which hasn't been properly animated before (Samurai X: Reflection was not really an adaptation of that arc, and the live-action Kenshin movie that covered that arc condensed a lot). I doubt the parts they are re-adapting will be as good as what the original anime did because the guy who directed that was Kazuhiro Furuhashi and he is one of the best anime directors out there from that era (he also did the original Hunter x Hunter, which got re-booted as well, I've seen Furuhashi's version which is excellent and keep meaning to watch the new one). I mean this guy gave us You're Under Arrest, Kenshin (including the top-tier Trust & Betrayal OVA), 1999 Hunter x Hunter, Zipang, Le Chevalier D'Eon, and Dororo (the relatively new show). The guy they have directing the new one, Hideyo Yamamoto, his directorial main claim to fame is the Strike the Blood anime series, Prince of Tennis season 2, and shows I haven't even heard of like My Master Has No Tail and Magical Girl Spec-Ops Asuka. Fortunately the source material is so strong it'd be hard for anyone to screw it up.