AbsolutSurgen Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 ‘Horrific and shocking’: FSIN, Cowessess First Nation to announce unmarked grave findings Thursday Quote The Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations (FSIN) and Cowessess First Nation in Saskatchewan say they will be announcing a “horrific and shocking discovery” on Thursday morning. The discovery is in relation to unmarked graves at the site of the former Marieval Indian Residential School, which was located about 140 kilometres east of Regina. “The number of unmarked graves will be the most significantly substantial to date in Canada,” a news release from the FSIN read. The FSIN said “hundreds” of unmarked graves have been discovered. The legacy of residential schools is one of the darkest chapters in Canadian history. About 150,000 aboriginal children were taken, mostly forcibly, from their families and sent to boarding schools (called residential schools) that were primarily run by churches (primarily Catholic). This started in the 1890s, and ran until the 1990s (most were closed significantly before this). These schools suffered from poor funding -- they were inadequately heated, the students were not appropriately fed/clothed and abuse was rampant. Estimates show that between 3,000-6,000 children died at these schools -- many of them late in the 19th century, or very early in the 20th century -- but records are very poor, and have been obfuscated by the Catholic Church. One of the most distressing parts about this was the callousness in which the church treated the aboriginal parents. Notification of death was frequently very poor (and delayed), and the Canadian government generally refused to pay for bodies to be returned to their families, and were instead buried in unmarked graves. The knowledge that most of these children were buried in unmarked graves surrounding these schools is not new. These schools were created at a time when child mortality was high -- and even higher at these schools than in the general Canadian population. Average life expectancy in the 1890s was somewhere in the late 40s (although if you lived to be 18, it was in the mid-60s). There were numerous outbreaks of TB (in residential schools, and elsewhere). The Spanish flu hit in 1918, killing almost 100 million people worldwide, and was particularly deadly in residential schools. They were the perfect target -- poorly fed children, with limited natural immunity and a deadly flu that targeted children. Every single school that is looked at will have a large amount of unmarked graves. This should come as a surprise to no one -- people who "act surprised" are just not paying attention. This is not "new news". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Horrible. The Catholic Church needs to be destroyed for this. They still refuse to release records of the schools. Hell, they are effectively still doing this around the world. There will likely be dozens more sites like this found. While it's not surprising to anyone who knows history...most people don't. And hey, the more people that are shocked about Canada's history, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 This is one of the darkest, most disgusting stains on our country. Yet another reason to hate the Catholic Church as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 It would seem that someone is taking justice into their own hands. Canadian police investigate two Catholic churches burned down in ‘suspicious’ fires - The Washington Post WWW-WASHINGTONPOST-COM.CDN.AMPPROJECT.ORG The separate fires arrive less than a month after the remains of 215 Indigenous children were found at a former residential school in British Columbia once operated by the Roman Catholic Church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Jesus fucking Christ Sask. First Nation announces discovery of 751 unmarked graves near former residential school | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA The chiefs of the Cowessess First Nation and the Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations spoke about the discovery of a "substantial" number of unmarked graves at the site of the Marieval Indian Residential School in Saskatchewan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 The Anglican church operated these schools too. They shouldn't be all that shrouded from responsibility. But they've done more to acknowledge this failing in the past--moreso than the Catholic church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Remains of Native American children to be exhumed at site of former boarding school WWW.CNN.COM The remains of 10 children and young adults who died at a Pennsylvania boarding school for Native Americans more than a century ago are expected to be exhumed and returned to their... America has joined the chat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I guess Canadians try to act nice because really deep down they are cold blooded murderers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I don't need to be this angry today, I'm going to go watch the videos of @silentbob's puppy for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: I guess Canadians try to act nice because really deep down they are cold blooded murderers. The Canadian experience of colonization is basically America-lite. Some slavery that stopped earlier, some genocide that was not as outright, and less than the US so the country doesn't get as much flak. It deserves condemnation, though, regardless of any comparison to anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 St. Albert cancels Canada Day fireworks at site of former residential school EDMONTONJOURNAL.COM ST. ALBERT, Alta. — A city northwest of Edmonton says it has cancelled its Canada Day fireworks display because it was to be held on the site of a former… I've already seen "outrage" that Canada is being "cancelled" because of these findings. Fuck you to anyone who says or thinks that—these are events that are still causing trauma to this day, and celebrating how awesome Canada is during these types of discoveries is fucked up...especially when the celebration was going to take place on the actual land where kids were abused and died! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Stopping patriotic parties because of bad things done in the past on a particular piece of land is a recipe for never having patriotic parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, sblfilms said: Stopping patriotic parties because of bad things done in the past on a particular piece of land is a recipe for never having patriotic parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I mean… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heydude93 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Gregg Deal talked about similar boarding schools in a podcast interview. Fucking horror shows, and even crazier is some of them were STILL in operation as recently as the early 2000's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I would love if this ended the Church, but I know it won't because the über religious Catholics don't care if the Church is at fault (especially those who don't live in Canada), and any sort of criticism or wanting to hold the Church accountable would be seen as blasphemy, and they don't want to go to Hell, so the Church will just continue to pay lip service to how horrible they feel about this, and go on forcing people to become Catholic in other impoverished nations, denying science, molesting children, and fear mongering about birth control, etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 "Cowessess Chief Cadmus Delorme spoke at a virtual news conference Thursday morning. "This is not a mass grave site. These are unmarked graves," Delorme said. elorme said there may have at one point been markers for the graves. He said the Roman Catholic church, which oversaw the cemetery, may have removed markers at some point in the 1960s. He said it was not immediately clear if all of the unmarked graves belonged to children, but that there were oral stories within Cowesses First Nation about both children and adults being there. He said some of the remains discovered may be people who attended the church or were from nearby towns." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: "Cowessess Chief Cadmus Delorme spoke at a virtual news conference Thursday morning. "This is not a mass grave site. These are unmarked graves," Delorme said. elorme said there may have at one point been markers for the graves. He said the Roman Catholic church, which oversaw the cemetery, may have removed markers at some point in the 1960s. He said it was not immediately clear if all of the unmarked graves belonged to children, but that there were oral stories within Cowesses First Nation about both children and adults being there. He said some of the remains discovered may be people who attended the church or were from nearby towns." Maybe, like police and bodycams, the Church releasing records could actually help defend them in this situation. Not that I am holding my breath. Besides, if it's 200 dead kids or 751, it's still dead kids at the hands of the Catholic Church, RCMP, and government of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Maybe, like police and bodycams, the Church releasing records could actually help defend them in this situation. Not that I am holding my breath. Besides, if it's 200 dead kids or 751, it's still dead kids at the hands of the Catholic Church, RCMP, and government of Canada. Perhaps. Child mortality pre-1925 was significant everywhere -- 25-30% of children in Canada didn't live to see their fifth birthday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Perhaps. Child mortality pre-1925 was significant everywhere -- 25-30% of children in Canada didn't live to see their fifth birthday. Residential schools commonly used the adopted policy of bunking sick Indigenous children with children who were well, in order to spread illness. They also neglected the children and abused them physically. I mean, yeah, some kids would have died. But not as many if they had been white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Brick said: I would love if this ended the Church, but I know it won't because the über religious Catholics don't care if the Church is at fault (especially those who don't live in Canada), and any sort of criticism or wanting to hold the Church accountable would be seen as blasphemy, and they don't want to go to Hell, so the Church will just continue to pay lip service to how horrible they feel about this, and go on forcing people to become Catholic in other impoverished nations, denying science, molesting children, and fear mongering about birth control, etc. etc. It wasn't just the church, thats the thing being missed in all this. The damn government used the rcmp to forcibly remove kids from homes whose parents refused to send them away. My wifes grandmother was forced into one of these schools, and blamed the government as much as the church until the day she died. The current pm's father was instrumental in helping the continuations of this crime against humanity well in into the 90's. While the church should be dismantled and destroyed, it's pretty disgusting that the governments role is barely mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I didn't say it was just the Church. The government needs to be held responsible too. There needs to be investigations into who is responsible for this, and charges to be pressed. Reparations as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, Brick said: I didn't say it was just the Church. The government needs to be held responsible too. There needs to be investigations into who is responsible for this, and charges to be pressed. Reparations as well. I'm relatively certain that they've been deceased for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, Brick said: I didn't say it was just the Church. The government needs to be held responsible too. There needs to be investigations into who is responsible for this, and charges to be pressed. Reparations as well. Oh, i wasn't pointing at you specifically, just seeing a lot of people talking about the church without mentioning the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I'm relatively certain that they've been deceased for a very long time. Most yes, but certainly not all if these schools were still open until the '90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Residential schools commonly used the adopted policy of bunking sick Indigenous children with children who were well, in order to spread illness. They also neglected the children and abused them physically. I mean, yeah, some kids would have died. But not as many if they had been white. I am not defending residential schools in any way. Forcibly removing children from their parents is a disgusting practice for any government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Brick said: Most yes, but certainly not all if these schools were still open until the '90s. Most were closed much earlier than this. While, based on the reports I've read, the situation in the 90s was completely unacceptable. Most of the really horrific stuff happened much earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Most were closed much earlier than this. While, based on the reports I've read, the situation in the 90s was completely unacceptable. Most of the really horrific stuff happened much earlier. For sure. While the practice continuing this far into modern history is despicable (and investigations should be done into living administrators, etc), the most abuse and deaths would have occurred in the 1860-1930 window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Saskatoon Catholic cathedral covered with paint after discovery of 751 unmarked graves | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA The doors of a Roman Catholic cathedral in downtown Saskatoon were splattered with paint Thursday afternoon after the discovery of hundreds of unmarked graves at the former Marieval Indian Residential School. The woman did it in broad daylight, too, which is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 As I've said before, I work for a Catholic school division, in their IT department. I've been conflicted before about working for them. Though the school division is publicly funded (and follows public curriculum) and has no ties to any past church history, it's still associated with the church. One of my coworkers is gay, and he too has said he feels conflicted. On the one hand, our IT team itself is awesome and diverse, and generally atheist/agnostic (as you'll find in most IT departments). We are the only part of the division that is not required to be Catholic, really (good luck finding devout Catholics for software development, sysadmin roles, etc). I guess I rationalize my decision to work there by trying as hard as I can to make change from the inside. Each chance I get the opportunity to speak up on social issues, I press the leadership on being inclusive, recognizing faults in the Catholic Church, etc. I was actually happy today to see the division's director openly call for the Pope to issue an apology for residential schools, as well as issue the following document as part of Truth and Reconciliation: Openly calling for the church to give back land, issue apologies, and for government to hold it accountable. So, I remain conflicted on working here (and likely always will, as long as I do), but at least the division is pushing the church on this issue, and I will continue to push from the inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Unless you are assisting an organization in doing something wrong in your work, no need to feel conflicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Catholic group gives 'formal commitment' to disclose all records from B.C. and Sask. residential schools | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA The Catholic religious order that operated residential schools in Saskatchewan and British Columbia where hundreds of unmarked graves have been found says it will disclose all historical documents in its possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Oh man, get ready for the chud outrage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Two more Catholic churches located on indegenios land have burned. More churches burn down on Canada indigenous land WWW.BBC.COM In total four Catholic churches have burned down in western Canada over the past week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 3:14 PM, CitizenVectron said: Catholic group gives 'formal commitment' to disclose all records from B.C. and Sask. residential schools | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA The Catholic religious order that operated residential schools in Saskatchewan and British Columbia where hundreds of unmarked graves have been found says it will disclose all historical documents in its possession. Absolutely, we are 100% percent committed to releasing all records, after we, uh... "have to find them." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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