CitizenVectron Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Another site, more found: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 So what is Trudeau going to do about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, Brick said: So what is Trudeau going to do about this? Probably issue his standard wishy-washy, bland statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Probably issue his standard wishy-washy, bland statement. That's a lot of words you typed just to say, "nothing". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, Brick said: That's a lot of words you typed just to say, "nothing". You got that right. If there's one thing he has consistently proved, it's that he's nowhere near his father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Probably not much that Trudeau can do really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Trudeau has proven at this point that he's a lip service liberal, just like most of them in government ... I feel like I'd still take him over chuck Schumer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: You got that right. If there's one thing he has consistently proved, it's that he's nowhere near his father. To be fair, his father would have probably doubled down against Indigenous people. 1 hour ago, mclumber1 said: Probably not much that Trudeau can do really. Not much the government can do about the past, but it can put more money and projects towards the Indigenous future. 41 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said: Trudeau has proven at this point that he's a lip service liberal, just like most of them in government ... I feel like I'd still take him over chuck Schumer. Perhaps Trudeau's government isn't as progressive as the NDP...but they are definitely progressive compared to anything in the US. They've effectively expanded the safety net by quite a bit, and fulfilled something like 80% of their election promises from 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 The Liberals aren't "Progressive" - they're centrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Statue of Queen Elizabeth II also brought down: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Fuck statues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: Fuck statues! But now I can't remember who rules the Commonwealth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: But now I can't remember who rules the Commonwealth! You are reminded every time you open your wallet! Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II - Canada.ca WWW.CANADA.CA Learn about the life and work of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, the Queen of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 So they are burning Catholic Churches and topping Anglican statues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 Queen Elizabeth II had nothing to do with residential schools. 11 minutes ago, sblfilms said: So they are burning Catholic Churches and topping Anglican statues? An African evangelical church with a congregation of recent refugees was also vandalized in Calgary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, sblfilms said: So they are burning Catholic Churches and topping Anglican statues? Anglican = English Catholic Ergo, it qualifies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Regardless of what you think of the catholic church or the people who ran these particular churches back when these atrocities happened, burning down these churches is clearly a hate crime under Canadian law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 There were Anglican residential schools as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Regardless of what you think of the catholic church or the people who ran these particular churches back when these atrocities happened, burning down these churches is clearly a hate crime under Canadian law. I am not excusing the burnings, but one easy way to prevent them would be to admit that the Church committed hate crimes for 150 years in Canada, and to apologize and pay for those crimes. But it won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I am not excusing the burnings, but one easy way to prevent them would be to admit that the Church committed hate crimes for 150 years in Canada, and to apologize and pay for those crimes. But it won't. If the churches were funded by the government, it's very possible that the government knew about these horrors and did not thing about them at the time too. So if anything, both the church and the Canadian government owe a hearty apology and millions in damages to the families of the killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 57 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Regardless of what you think of the catholic church or the people who ran these particular churches back when these atrocities happened, burning down these churches is clearly a hate crime under Canadian law. It’s not a hate crime, it’s a great crime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 29 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I am not excusing the burnings, but one easy way to prevent them would be to admit that the Church committed hate crimes for 150 years in Canada, and to apologize and pay for those crimes. But it won't. If there is one thing that is incredibly clear in modern times: apologizing only makes things worse for the wrong doer. You actually get better results by ignoring or even denying the wrong doing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Just now, sblfilms said: If there is one thing that is incredibly clear in modern times: apologizing only makes things worse for the wrong doer. You actually get better results by ignoring or even denying the wrong doing! Or follow my preferred method, totally OWN THE HELL out of it! "Yeah, I did that, and not only would I do it AGAIN, but I'll do it EVEN MORE!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Great Crime: Vs. Hate Crime: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Great Crime: Vs. Hate Crime: One for ethnic cleansing, another for simply existing These things are the same, I am very smart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: One for ethnic cleansing, another for simply existing These things are the same, I am very smart Both are hate crimes. I'm glad you agree. Lock them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 57 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I am not excusing the burnings, but one easy way to prevent them would be to admit that the Church committed hate crimes for 150 years in Canada, and to apologize and pay for those crimes. But it won't. They have apologized multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Both are hate crimes. I'm glad you agree. Lock them up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: They have apologized multiple times. Individual Archbishops have (or churches), but the Church itself through the Pope has not. Nor have they paid restitution like they were supposed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Individual Archbishops have (or churches), but the Church itself through the Pope has not. Nor have they paid restitution like they were supposed to. Was this policy handed down from Rome? Seems like it was a joint venture of the local diocese and the Canadian government, but I've only read the links posted in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: Individual Archbishops have (or churches), but the Church itself through the Pope has not. Nor have they paid restitution like they were supposed to. "I humbly ask for forgiveness not only for the offences of the church itself, but also for the crimes against native peoples during the so-called conquest of America" Pope Francis, July 10, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Was this policy handed down from Rome? Seems like it was a joint venture of the local diocese and the Canadian government, but I've only read the links posted in this thread. The information on who the real killers were was sadly burned in the church fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: "I humbly ask for forgiveness not only for the offences of the church itself, but also for the crimes against native peoples during the so-called conquest of America" Pope Francis, July 10, 2015 We’ve been Riley’d again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: "I humbly ask for forgiveness not only for the offences of the church itself, but also for the crimes against native peoples during the so-called conquest of America" Pope Francis, July 10, 2015 Wasn’t this apology directed to the people of South America ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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