Spork3245 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 8 hours ago, Air_Delivery said: I still don't understand why Israel needs an aid package. That money would be better spent in Ukraine. IIRC, Israeli military aid packages have a lot of strings attached that essentially make it a back door subsidy to US weapons manufacturers. It also stops Israel from buying weapons elsewhere, and even more importantly, gives US some semblance of “control” in how far they go in military responses/actions; if Israel wasn’t getting military aid from the US, knowing what I know of Israel and the IDF, I fully believe they’d be hitting any/all potential threats with preemptive strikes like an unchained rabid dog. Without the aid packages, without Biden at the US’ helm, that response to Iran would have been absolutely terrifying, IMO. The aid packages to Israel are more of a leash above anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarSolo Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 I’m still waiting for her to nuke Johnson so those resignations happen that end up giving the Dems back the majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 jesus christ, he let it get delayed for months and months Analysis: By passing Ukraine aid, the accidental speaker became an unlikely Churchill | CNN Politics WWW.CNN.COM Republican Speaker Mike Johnson showed political courage that is rare in Washington and notable legislative skill for an inexperienced leader in forcing a long-delayed $60 billion aid bill for Ukraine through the House of Representatives on Saturday. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Imagine comparing Johnson to a great man like Churchill. Like, actually imagine that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 46 minutes ago, Jason said: jesus christ, he let it get delayed for months and months Analysis: By passing Ukraine aid, the accidental speaker became an unlikely Churchill | CNN Politics WWW.CNN.COM Republican Speaker Mike Johnson showed political courage that is rare in Washington and notable legislative skill for an inexperienced leader in forcing a long-delayed $60 billion aid bill for Ukraine through the House of Representatives on Saturday. These fuckers are willing to say anything for an eye catching headline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Find someone who loves you the way the media loves lavishing praise on Republicans who meet an absolute bare minimum standard of decency. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 Just a moment... WWW.POLITICO.COM Biden preparing package that will include Bradleys, armoured vehicles, artillery, missiles, and more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 Greece has announced they have a Patriot system they can give Ukraine. They will give a second if the US will guarantee air protection against Turkey. The US is now saying the military package will arrive in Ukraine "much sooner" than anyone expects. I would guess the US gear is already in Germany or Poland just waiting for the Senate to pass the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 The UK announced a massive military package for Ukraine today, including a new batch of storm shadow missiles. I hope the real gift the US and UK give is permission for their missiles to be used on targets inside Russia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: The UK announced a massive military package for Ukraine today, including a new batch of storm shadow missiles. I hope the real gift the US and UK give is permission for their missiles to be used on targets inside Russia. I'd like to see Ukraine use a swarm of low cost airborne drones to overwhelm air defense around the Kerch bridge, followed closely by a barrage of long range cruise missiles. Maybe the same against the remaining naval assets in the Black Sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 14 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I'd like to see Ukraine use a swarm of low cost airborne drones to overwhelm air defense around the Kerch bridge, followed closely by a barrage of long range cruise missiles. Maybe the same against the remaining naval assets in the Black Sea. I didn't post, but they appear to have taken out another vessel at Sevastopol a few days ago. Russia's biggest and oldest repair vessel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Let's just say that the Ukrainian conflict has been very instructive to the formulation of various aspects of American military policy, especially in regard to just how effective the use of EW can be on neutralizing the capabilities of drones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 17 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Let's just say that the Ukrainian conflict has been very instructive to the formulation of various aspects of American military policy, especially in regard to just how effective the use of EW can be on neutralizing the capabilities of drones. In the sense that EW is more, or less effective than American doctrine predicted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: In the sense that EW is more, or less effective than American doctrine predicted? Much, much more effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just need to develop a drone that uses a diesel engine for propulsion and a mechanical computer for navigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 Looks like the gear is indeed waiting on Biden's signature. In Poland: Also more vehicle info from the latest UK package (in addition to Storm Shadows and AA missies: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 reuters.com WWW.REUTERS.COM Quote The United States is preparing a $1 billion military aid package for Ukraine, the first to be sourced from the yet to be signed Ukraine-Israel bill, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Tuesday. The aid package includes vehicles, Stinger air defense munitions, additional ammunition for high-mobility artillery rocket systems, 155 millimeter artillery ammunition, TOW and Javelin anti-tank munitions and other weapons that can immediately be put to use on the battlefield, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 Germany once again proving to be weak and spineless—they've been saying for over a year that the only way they'll deliver any Taurus missiles (like Storm Shadows, but with larger warheads) to Ukraine is if the US is also going to commit long-range strike missiles, as Germany knows that Ukraine will use Tauruses to take out the Kerch bridge. Basically, that Germany won't be a leader, just a follower. However, now that the US is going to provide long-range single-warhead ATACMS...Germany is saying they won't send any Tauruses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Tauruses aren't going to win the war. The conversation around German hesitance to provide those is a silly side distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 4/23/2024 at 8:58 AM, CitizenVectron said: reuters.com WWW.REUTERS.COM 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Sneaky, sneaky! Ukraine uses long-range missiles secretly provided by US to hit Russian-held areas, officials say APNEWS.COM U.S. officials say Ukraine for the first time has begun using long-range ballistic missiles, striking a Russian military airfield in Crimea and Russian troops in another occupied area overnight. Quote Ukraine for the first time has begun using long-range ballistic missiles provided secretly by the United States, bombing a Russian military airfield in Crimea last week and Russian forces in another occupied area overnight, American officials said Wednesday. Long sought by Ukrainian leaders, the new missiles give Ukraine nearly double the striking distance — up to 300 kilometers (190 miles) — that it had with the mid-range version of the weapon that it received from the U.S. last October. “We’ve already sent some, we will send more now that we have additional authority and money,” White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said. The additional ATACMS were included in a new military aid package signed by President Joe Biden on Wednesday. Biden approved delivery of the long-range Army Tactical Missile System, known as ATACMS, in February, and then in March the U.S. included a “significant” number of them in a $300 million aid package announced, officials said. U.S. officials would not provide the exact number of missiles given last month or in the latest aid package, which totals about $1 billion. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 Ukraine to increase long-range strikes in Russia, says UK defence chief WWW.FT.COM Admiral Sir Tony Radakin tells the FT fresh military aid will help Kyiv reshape ‘difficult’ land fight against Moscow No confirmation as yet if this means the UK will allow Storm Shadows and other munitions to be used against targets inside Russia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 Russian minister detained after taking bribe, law enforcement agency says | Russia | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Arrest of deputy defence minister Timur Ivanov comes weeks after Vladimir Putin urged FSB to step up efforts to root out corruption The Deputy Defense Minister of Russia was arrested by the FSB. Ukrainian intelligence already taking credit, saying they basically funneled a $10k bribe to him in order to get him caught by the FSB on corruption/treason charges. Russian officials are dumb enough to fall for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 One of the big promises (and kind of excuse for why other long-range weaponry wasn't being provided) was that the GLSDB would be useful. Unfortunately, it appears that (like Wade said earlier) Russian anti-GPS and EW jamming is proving very effective against US drones and munitions: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: Unfortunately, it appears that (like Wade said earlier) Russian anti-GPS and EW jamming is proving very effective against US drones and munitions: You have no idea just how really, really effective it has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I wonder if this will shift the entire paradigm of going away from pilots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 48 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: I wonder if this will shift the entire paradigm of going away from pilots. That paradigm really doesn't have a significant number of advocates to begin with, but what it has done is force a reconsideration of how drones, etc. are used in the battlespace. The briefing I attended on the effects of the Russian EW efforts was really quite eye-opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Is there a reason why GLSDB are more effected than other MLRS munitions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Just now, Air_Delivery said: Is there a reason why GLSRB are more effected than other MLRS munitions? No idea! The briefing I attended was focused on Ukrainian drones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I'd imagine the data coming out of Ukraine concerning wars against near peer enemies is invaluable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: I'd imagine the data coming out of Ukraine concerning wars against near peer enemies is invaluable. From what I've been able to see, your imagination would be quite correct! Let's face it - a very "uncharitable" reading of US support for Ukraine could be that we want to "extend" the conflict as much as possible for that very reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 30 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Let's face it - a very "uncharitable" reading of US support for Ukraine could be that we want to "extend" the conflict as much as possible for that very reason. The hyper capitalist military industrial complex isn't going to pay for itself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 45 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: From what I've been able to see, your imagination would be quite correct! Let's face it - a very "uncharitable" reading of US support for Ukraine could be that we want to "extend" the conflict as much as possible for that very reason. Time to go back to full ballistic weaponry! A big ball of iron launched in a parabolic arc doesn't care about jamming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 17 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Time to go back to full ballistic weaponry! A big ball of iron launched in a parabolic arc doesn't care about jamming! Trebuchet - Wikipedia EN.M.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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