Jason Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I haven't read the whole thing yet, but it is an incredible story. It's amazing that Navalny survived. His ability to then uncover this whole plot afterwards is quite the cherry on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 This is probably the biggest Russian intelligence fuckup in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, CayceG said: This is probably the biggest Russian intelligence fuckup in history. I have a feeling this particular FSB agent's fate is not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, CayceG said: This is probably the biggest Russian intelligence fuckup in history. Wait until trump gets immunity to share his details in exchange for getting out of...take your pick. People forget that he has no loyalty to anyone except himself. He believes in nothing but glory whenever possible and survival always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 The HBO Max documentary on this is going to be so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: I have a feeling this particular FSB agent's fate is not so good. Well, wait now, they may cock up the operation and he may be the one who has to file the report! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Very cool but uh, they didn't destroy liberal democracy in the US. We were and are fully capable and willing to do that without an assist from russia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1Cowboy Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I've been told that the people carrying out these types of things are getting elderly and that's why the work is sloppy..as in the people in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 This is pretty amazing shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 This is really just a reminder that Americans and Russians are basically the same people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Uaarkson said: This is really just a reminder that Americans and Russians are basically the same people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Alpha1Cowboy said: I've been told that the people carrying out these types of things are getting elderly and that's why the work is sloppy..as in the people in charge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Alpha1Cowboy said: I've been told that the people carrying out these types of things are getting elderly and that's why the work is sloppy..as in the people in charge. What’s your wife’s opinion on everything in Russia? Does she still support Putin? I’m always interested in what people outside of my bubble think on topics like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: I have a feeling this particular FSB agent's fate is not so good. Defenestration is in vogue lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: we’re all a bunch of dummies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Uaarkson said: we’re all a bunch of dummies. I certainly agree, but that isn't the purview of just Americans and Russians, but the entire human race generally speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Jason said: This is the kinda shit that happens when you value loyalty over competence. It's the no.1 killer of autocrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1Cowboy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 16 hours ago, SilentWorld said: What’s your wife’s opinion on everything in Russia? Does she still support Putin? I’m always interested in what people outside of my bubble think on topics like this. Pretty much no one in Russia really supports Putin...he's like background noise to most Russians....he's familiar and there's really no one better..or..that much better. He hasn't completely run the country into the ground and has somewhat joined Russians in a national identity. Russia..Like the US has a sort of Boomer Generation that won't get out of the way and let younger leaders lead...and a lot of this spy stuff comes form that generation who venerated the power of the KGB....but as stated...these old men have lost quite few steps...and aren't as capable as they were in their younger days. The Russian Militray has pulled off some good Cyber Warfare stuff, but a lot of that is not neccessarily how good they are, but how terribly bad and cheap our private companies are in protecting assets. I mean...when OPM got hacked like 8 years ago....it wasn't because of sophistication..it was because the systems there were running old software on old hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Alpha1Cowboy said: Pretty much no one in Russia really supports Putin...he's like background noise to most Russians....he's familiar and there's really no one better..or..that much better. He hasn't completely run the country into the ground and has somewhat joined Russians in a national identity. Russia..Like the US has a sort of Boomer Generation that won't get out of the way and let younger leaders lead...and a lot of this spy stuff comes form that generation who venerated the power of the KGB....but as stated...these old men have lost quite few steps...and aren't as capable as they were in their younger days. The Russian Militray has pulled off some good Cyber Warfare stuff, but a lot of that is not neccessarily how good they are, but how terribly bad and cheap our private companies are in protecting assets. I mean...when OPM got hacked like 8 years ago....it wasn't because of sophistication..it was because the systems there were running old software on old hardware. Oh okay I was mistaken then I thought I remembered you saying a few years ago that your wife generally argues in support of Putin when people start criticizing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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