Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 From Genki_JPN: Quote Sony President Hiroki Totoki says he wants to go aggressive in improving margins by growing 1st party with multi-platform #PlayStation “In the past, we wanted to popularize console and the 1st party titles' main purpose was to make the console popular. It is true, but there is a synergy to it. So if you have strong first party content, not only with our console but also other platforms like computers, 1st party can be grown with multiplatform and that can help operating profit to improve. So that is another one we want to proactively work on. I personally think there are opportunities out there for improvement of margins, so I would like to go aggressive in improving our margin performance.” - Hiroki Totoki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Just make a Sony Xbox already dammit. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, Dodger said: Just make a Sony Xbox already dammit. Yea it's coming down to really having one piece of hardware and playing everything on that. Besides fuckin Nintendo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Is this a strategy change, or just referencing what they've already done on PC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 11 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Is this a strategy change, or just referencing what they've already done on PC? I read this as "just a quick note" while y'all are busy watching Xbox fans freak out, we're pretty much doing the same thing as them, thanks, K, bye! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: I read this as "just a quick note" while y'all are busy watching Xbox fans freak out, we're pretty much doing the same thing as them, thanks, K, bye! Could be. But it'd be awfully dumb to give Microsoft's their competitive mojo back like this. There's no guarantees for Sony keeping the lead in future generations. 30 minutes ago, best3444 said: Besides fuckin Nintendo. Can't hate on them for being the smart ones at the table. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 20 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Could be. But it'd be awfully dumb to give Microsoft's their competitive mojo back like this. There's no guarantees for Sony keeping the lead in future generations. Can't hate on them for being the smart ones at the table. Who said anything about hate, lol? Nintendo is brilliant and can't be stopped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Aside from Valve, Nintendo does seem to be looking like the wisest gambler in this game. With AAA being a high risk preposition, Staying behind the tech curve and pumping out quality N content while allow the ever burgeoning indie scene to fill out the rest of their roster seems like a pretty business savvy strategy with much lower stakes per release. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: Aside from Valve, Nintendo does seem to be looking like the wisest gambler in this game. With AAA being a high risk preposition, Staying behind the tech curve and pumping out quality N content while allow the ever burgeoning indie scene to fill out the rest of their roster seems like a pretty business savvy strategy with much lower stakes per release. They really got their shit together after the WiiU. It's the Nintendo of old now...like in the SNES days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Just now, best3444 said: They really got their shit together after the WiiU. It's the Nintendo of old now...like in the SNES days. Let's just hope they don't pull a Nintendo and make a totally different form factor/function for the next system simply because they want to surprise us. The Switch is a really sweet form factor and I'd like them to stick with it. All the rumors seem to indicate a switch with some tweaks, so here's hoping! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I can see live service or smaller games like Helldivers 2 releasing on PC day and date but I doubt it’s big AAA single player games will. The best margins are on its own platform. I think the most likely outcome is a one year exclusive window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Mr.Vic20 said: Let's just hope they don't pull a Nintendo and make a totally different form factor/function for the next system simply because they want to surprise us. The Switch is a really sweet form factor and I'd like them to stick with it. All the rumors seem to indicate a switch with some tweaks, so here's hoping! I absolutely agree and there are too many rumors that it truly is an advanced Switch. So it's going to be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStar189 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Who could have thought that bringing a game to another platform with millions of users would make you more money! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 The Sony double standard will be in full swing for this one. Last week: Microsoft bad, finished, out of the console business for this notion. This week: Sony this is totally fine! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Yeah lost in the MS is doomed talk is that Sony is underperforming as well. I wonder what the decline is due to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Am I misinterpreting this? All I read is that they will continue to publish games on computers. He uses the generic term as "multiplatform", so it could be interpreted as other consoles. But it doesn't have to. Or, am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 25 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: Aside from Valve, Nintendo does seem to be looking like the wisest gambler in this game. With AAA being a high risk preposition, Staying behind the tech curve and pumping out quality N content while allow the ever burgeoning indie scene to fill out the rest of their roster seems like a pretty business savvy strategy with much lower stakes per release. Nintendo's success boils down to these three things: Cost Control Cost Control Cost Control 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Just now, AbsolutSurgen said: Am I misinterpreting this? All I read is that they will continue to publish games on computers. He uses the generic term as "multiplatform", so it could be interpreted as other consoles. But it doesn't have to. Or, am I missing something? You're correct in the sense that's the textual meaning of what was said, but the subtext could very well be that Sony will narrow and/or eliminate the gap between the first-party releases on the console and the release on the PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, crispy4000 said: Is this a strategy change, or just referencing what they've already done on PC? yeah I read it as him meaning PC when he says other platforms. No way we are approaching some socialistic utopia of console gaming where exclusives from Sony and Xbox dont exist and the games are shared unequivocally. 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Nintendo's success boils down to these three things: Cost Control Cost Control Cost Control Yeah, for at least 30 years, I dont think theyve ever released a hardware where they were taking a loss on each unit sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: You're correct in the sense that's the textual meaning of what was said, but the subtext could very well be that Sony will narrow and/or eliminate the gap between the first-party releases on the console and the release on the PC. My impression was that they had already said they were trying to release more ports, and release them earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 5 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Nintendo's success boils down to these three things: Cost Control Cost Control Cost Control In a way. They have a very specific vision of their target market -- and are executing on it. There are others that are targeting similar demographics in other ways -- i.e. the rise of Roblox. But, they have found a niche that is willing to pay AAA money for games that are significantly reduced in scope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Nintendo's success boils down to these three things: Cost Control Cost Control Cost Control Not expanding outside of Japan in any material way was a big decision especially during the time when you saw Sony, SE and Capcom do it. SE and Capcom has both backtracks that decision. Plus Nintendo has really nailed the design with budget in mind for their franchises. They clearly have a more realistic approach to game projections and budget accordingly. You never hear “XXX sold 5 million copies but it’s below our forecast and disappointing.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 24 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Yeah, for at least 30 years, I dont think theyve ever released a hardware where they were taking a loss on each unit sold. GameCube started at a slight loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Nintendo > those 2 other bitch ass companies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 29 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Nintendo's success boils down to these three things: Cost Control Cost Control Cost Control Cost Control doesn’t sell consoles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Cost Control doesn’t sell consoles. It doesn't sell consoles, but it certainly helps to mitigate the "break-even" pressure when it comes to overall sales volume. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It doesn't sell consoles, but it certainly helps to mitigate the "break-even" pressure when it comes to overall sales volume. I’m sure Nintendo felt plenty of pressure to drop the Wii U. If it doesn’t sell well enough, the games won’t either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Cost Control doesn’t sell consoles. Nintendo has games/makes games that millions of people enjoy. Iconic characters that are recognized world wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, crispy4000 said: I’m sure Nintendo felt plenty of pressure to drop the Wii U. If it doesn’t sell well enough, the games won’t either. The Wii U had a lot of cost associated with a feature that provided very little benefit. I think Nintendo learned a lot from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, Biggie said: Nintendo has games/makes games that millions of people enjoy. Iconic characters that are recognized world wide. Which is the argument that @crispy4000 is making and he's absolutely correct. However, the emphasis that Nintendo places on the rationalization of development costs for both its consoles and its software is one that -- as someone in the accounting department and not the marketing department -- I simply cannot ignore! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 8 minutes ago, Biggie said: Nintendo has games/makes games that millions of people enjoy. Iconic characters that are recognized world wide. Yes, people recognized Mario and co on the cover of New Super Mario Bros U at launch. And Mario Kart 8 too a little later on. It took the Switch for people to actually buy these games en masse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Which is the argument that @crispy4000 is making and he's absolutely correct. However, the emphasis that Nintendo places on the rationalization of development costs for both its consoles and its software is one that -- as someone in the accounting department and not the marketing department -- I simply cannot ignore! It’s definitely not my argument that the characters are the system sellers. If anything, that’s probably more true for Pokemon than Nintendo’s other mainstay brands. The games and hardware have to be appealing and exciting. There is no easy coast mode for Nintendo at the start of a generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 9 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: The Wii U had a lot of cost associated with a feature that provided very little benefit. I think Nintendo learned a lot from it. It did, but even the 3DS had a rough start with a more marketable feature (glassless 3D) because the 1st party games weren’t there in any meaningful way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 11 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Yes, people recognized Mario and co on the cover of New Super Mario Bros U at launch. And Mario Kart 8 too a little later on. It took the Switch for people to actually buy these games en masse. I mean, Mario Kart 8 did sell like 8.5m copies on the Wii U. Sure, nowhere near 60m copies it's sold in the Switch, but I don't think Nintendo considers 8.5m sold for any of their games not a success. That's kind of the thing with Nintendo. More than most other publishers, they do a great job keeping their expectations in check and budgeting accordingly. I wish Nintendo shared game budgets. I'd love to know how much a big JRPG like Xenoblade Chronicles cost to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I remember when Ubisoft reported that Nintendo told them releasing a second Mario and Rabbids game was a mistake in the same generation and they should have waited. Nintendo was right and the game sold poorly even though it’s way better than the first. There is no company in this segment that knows its market better than Nintendo at the moment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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