Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 This is a very sudden turn of events. Sam Altman fired as CEO of OpenAI - The Verge WWW.THEVERGE.COM Mira Murati will be the interim CEO. Quote Sam Altman has been fired as CEO of OpenAI, the company announced on Friday. “Mr. Altman’s departure follows a deliberative review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities,” the company said in its blog post. “The board no longer has confidence in his ability to continue leading OpenAI.” Chief technology officer Mira Murati will be the interim CEO. The company will be conducting a search for the permanent CEO successor. When contacted by The Verge, OpenAI’s communications department declined to comment beyond the blog post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 given how openai seems to be firing on all cylinders there must be a really nasty next shoe to drop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, UpvoteShittyTakesOnly said: given how openai seems to be firing on all cylinders there must be a really nasty next shoe to drop Considering that the co-founder Greg Brockman will be stepping down as chairman of the board, I'd say that's definitely the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Probably got chatgpt to write their board reports. Or it's been a warehouse of children the whole time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Well this should be interesting. I'm not a fan of many of the things Sam has been saying, but I somehow doubt whoever replaces him will be any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Ben Collins posted this earlier today: That post on October 2 was about a text someone sent Musk ten days prior to acquiring Twitter; it was some antisemitic/right-wing shit that basically laid out what Musk should do once he acquires Twitter (like blame the ADL for its financial situation). Even though the text was made public due to his lawsuit with Twitter, the number it came from remained redacted. Musk went on to do more or less everything the article laid out. I'm guessing we now know who sent him that text! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chris- said: Ben Collins posted this earlier today: That post on October 2 was about a text someone sent Musk ten days prior to acquiring Twitter; it was some antisemitic/right-wing shit that basically laid out what Musk should do once he acquires Twitter (like blame the ADL for its financial situation). Even though the text was made public due to his lawsuit with Twitter, the number it came from remained redacted. Musk went on to do more or less everything the article laid out. I'm guessing we now know who sent him that text! Guess he's referring to this article. What was Elon Musk’s strategy for Twitter? A fired Trump White House staffer offers a tantalizing clue WWW.NBCNEWS.COM A year after the world's richest man acquired the social media platform, a game plan published by a fired Trump White House staffer provides a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, Chris- said: Ben Collins posted this earlier today: That post on October 2 was about a text someone sent Musk ten days prior to acquiring Twitter; it was some antisemitic/right-wing shit that basically laid out what Musk should do once he acquires Twitter (like blame the ADL for its financial situation). Even though the text was made public due to his lawsuit with Twitter, the number it came from remained redacted. Musk went on to do more or less everything the article laid out. I'm guessing we now know who sent him that text! 6 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Guess he's referring to this article. What was Elon Musk’s strategy for Twitter? A fired Trump White House staffer offers a tantalizing clue WWW.NBCNEWS.COM A year after the world's richest man acquired the social media platform, a game plan published by a fired Trump White House staffer provides a clue. I think you guys are in the wrong thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jason said: I think you guys are in the wrong thread? No, I’m in the right thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TwinIon Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 This is the most surprised I've ever been at a CEO getting fired. Sam Altman was at the top of the world and then he's just fired completely out of the blue? They just announced they're bringing in $1.3B a year, and between a lucrative deal with MS and launching one of the fasted adopted products of all time, I suspect that revenue is real. This also isn't a Theranos situation where the product doesn't exist. It's the most talked about product of the year, it works well, and as far as anyone can tell they're still the leading company in the most transformative sector in tech. So they've got money, they've got an excellent product, and a bright future, at least from all appearances. Whatever Altman did, it must have been pretty bad. I haven't even seen any reasonable speculation on what went down, but I'm super curious to find out. Personal issues are always a possibility, but speculating that Sam Altman eats people or something isn't much fun. My first guesses are that either the company's structure as a “capped-profit” company was ill conceived or poorly implemented, or the deals with Microsoft are much worse for Open AI than we're aware. If MS somehow owns more of their tech than we thought, if it prevents Open AI from profiting somehow, or if it just ties their hands too much, that might justify a firing. It would be kind of hilarious to me if somehow the novel capped-profit setup prevented investors or the board from making as much money as they thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Jason said: I think you guys are in the wrong thread? The insinuation being made is that Sam is the one who sent that text Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, stepee said: The insinuation being made is that Sam is the one who sent that text Is Sam Altman a chud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Just now, mclumber1 said: Is Sam Altman a chud? No idea, that is just what I believe the insinuation is based on context clues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 According to Kara Swisher, it really does genuinely appear to be nothing more than a strategic disagreement about the overall pace of development/revenue generation vs risk mitigation: Quote There are about to be a lot more major departures of top folks at @OpenAI tonight and I assume Altman will make a statement tonight. But, as I understand it, it was a “misalignment” of the profit versus nonprofit adherents at the company. The developer day was an issue. Quote Sources tell me that the profit direction of the company under Altman and the speed of development, which could be seen as too risky, and the nonprofit side dedicated to more safety and caution were at odds. One person on the Sam side called it a “coup,” while another said it was the the right move. A supposed OpenAI engineer posted this on Reddit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Boring! I think we all secretly wanted the reason for Altman to be fired because of some kink fetish or because the company has already reached AGI and Altman "accidentally" released it into the wild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 I would be shocked if the problem ends up being that the board thought that Sam was moving too fast and not being sufficiently "safe" with the technology. I completely believe that the LLM engineers at Google/Open AI/etc/. didn't think the tech was ready for mass consumption, but the market and public opinion has ended up siding with Open AI to an enormous extent. We know that Google, Meta, and plenty of others had LLMs ready to go, but we're not sure when and how they should be used. By releasing Chat GPT when they did, Open AI changed the game and established themselves as the leader in the most important tech race of our time. If the board knows something about the "safety" of this technology that justifies firing the CEO but doesn't justify notifying the public, that's not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, mclumber1 said: Boring! I think we all secretly wanted the reason for Altman to be fired because of some kink fetish or because the company has already reached AGI and Altman "accidentally" released it into the wild. If you want drama, his sister accused him of sexually abusing her. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, TwinIon said: If the board knows something about the "safety" of this technology that justifies firing the CEO but doesn't justify notifying the public, that's not great. Probably the other way around. It is probably more ready than he was letting the board run with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 Considering that Microsoft was reportedly "blindsided" by these events, I imagine that there have been several not-so-very-pleasant phone calls originating from Redmond. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Considering that Microsoft was reportedly "blindsided" by these events, I imagine that there have been several not-so-very-pleasant phone calls originating from Redmond. Oh no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 i simply do not believe the creative differences thing as the reason even though i am sure that dynamic is true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 Three Senior OpenAI Researchers Resign as Crisis Deepens WWW.THEINFORMATION.COM Three senior researchers at OpenAI resigned Friday night as the artificial intelligence developer suffered fallout from the firing of CEO Sam Altman and sudden resignation of President Greg Brockman... Jakub Pachocki, director of research, Aleksander Madry, head of the AI risk team, and Szymon Sidor have all resigned from Open AI. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 reading what many people are willing to write openly on twitter about the situation these people all do hate each other lol openai could have been a trillion dollar company with the head star they got by shooting chatgpt and subsequent updates out like a firehose and now they are risking tons of enterprise value for not much in the way of good reasoning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, UpvoteShittyTakesOnly said: reading what many people are willing to write openly on twitter about the situation these people all do hate each other lol openai could have been a trillion dollar company with the head star they got by shooting chatgpt and subsequent updates out like a firehose and now they are risking tons of enterprise value for not much in the way of good reasoning Geocities will buy the rotting corpse of OpenAI for $33.27 next year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 59 minutes ago, UpvoteShittyTakesOnly said: reading what many people are willing to write openly on twitter about the situation these people all do hate each other lol openai could have been a trillion dollar company with the head star they got by shooting chatgpt and subsequent updates out like a firehose and now they are risking tons of enterprise value for not much in the way of good reasoning That's kind of the rub, though, isn't it? Open AI was supposed to be a non-profit. The switch to a capped for-profit company was obviously BS and they wanted money, but it left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth. Them being "non-profit" is regularly made fun of and they earned a lot of bad will from the AI community for the shadiness of it all. The "board" doesn't want to be a for-profit company so pointing out that they could have been a trillion-dollar monolith isn't going to persuade them. Now is that reason for this? I have no idea. I'd honestly be impressed if it came down to the non-profit side trying to stop this, but I'm not going to hold my breath. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 56 minutes ago, legend said: That's kind of the rub, though, isn't it? Open AI was supposed to be a non-profit. importantly not-for-profit doesnt mean dont try to maximize revenue it is a tax structure that disallows distribution of profit to the owners of the organization and instead requires excess revenues to be pushed back in to the mission of the org the capped profit thing was a bit silly as it is trying to have your cake and eat it situation and was rightly lambasted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 30 minutes ago, UpvoteShittyTakesOnly said: importantly not-for-profit doesnt mean dont try to maximize revenue it is a tax structure that disallows distribution of profit to the owners of the organization and instead requires excess revenues to be pushed back in to the mission of the org the capped profit thing was a bit silly as it is trying to have your cake and eat it situation and was rightly lambasted Sure, but the point is being a trillion dollar company is supposed to be a non goal and to get there you would likely be in conflict with the supposed goals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Well... Breaking: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO - The Verge WWW.THEVERGE.COM Altman is “ambivalent” and wants governance changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 18, 2023 Author Share Posted November 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Well... Breaking: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO - The Verge WWW.THEVERGE.COM Altman is “ambivalent” and wants governance changes. Ya beat me to posting that by about a minute! I'd say those phone calls from Redmond, Washington must've been pretty intense for this sudden reversal from the board! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 this is definitely a recipe for success 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Only if the entire board resigns but leaves their money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 19, 2023 Author Share Posted November 19, 2023 From Bloomberg's Emily Chang: Quote - active convos happening to reinstate Altman including w/ Microsoft and Satya Nadella - Sam has Satya’s support/confidence whatever he does next - in one scenario the board could resign - this is a fast-moving complex negotiation - Sam is open to returning as long as he has the power to execute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 i just assumed this was to get ahead of sexual harassment allegations or something. Since thats probably not the case I'm guessing it was some personal dispute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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