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[Jason]

Rep. Ilhan Omar slams Biden's 'shameful' plan to restart construction on Trump's 'xenophobic and racist' wall

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"It's shameful and unacceptable for [Biden] to continue the construction of Trump's xenophobic and racist wall," Omar said.

 

[Fizzzzle]

Honestly every country should just have open borders. There, I said it.

[silentbob]

I think the Daily Show or something covered this and I believe Biden couldn’t do anything about it. Trump and his minions have a way that once started, they couldn’t stop. 
 

A quick google search says Biden can stop them, but these companies have termination fees that they can go at gov for. The Trump government just didn’t tell the public, and how much they would still get. So it’s a cost effectiveness problem sadly. It’s probably the reason why the wall continues to be built, because it will be cheaper to keep building the wall, then to stop.

[Joe]

Honestly, this doesn't bother me in the least.

[Guest]

I think we should have open immigration, but I also think the complaints about the wall are a waste of energy. We have much more important immigration issues to deal with.

[Jason]

Just now, sblfilms said:

I think we should have open immigration, but I also think the complaints about the wall are a waste of energy. We have much more important immigration issues to deal with.

 

"Just stop building it" seems pretty simple. 

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

9 hours ago, silentbob said:

I think the Daily Show or something covered this and I believe Biden couldn’t do anything about it. Trump and his minions have a way that once started, they couldn’t stop. 
 

A quick google search says Biden can stop them, but these companies have termination fees that they can go at gov for. The Trump government just didn’t tell the public, and how much they would still get. So it’s a cost effectiveness problem sadly. It’s probably the reason why the wall continues to be built, because it will be cheaper to keep building the wall, then to stop.

what’s the difference in cost at this point? I mean people are still having their lands seized for this shit project. 

[Uaarkson]

What the fuck is Biden thinking?

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

It's a waste of money to keep building, it's a waste of money to stop it, we might as well stop it

[Kal-El814]

1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

It's a waste of money to keep building, it's a waste of money to stop it, we might as well stop it

The only problem with the sunk cost fallacy is that we haven’t put ENOUGH money into the project.

[Bloodporne]

I don't think Biden is some sort of saintly figure but considering his record so far in regards to shitting on Trump's policies I'm quite confident that if it were as easy as 'let's just stop', this'd be a big showstopper for him to pull out and he'd be doing it stat. There's gotta be more to it. 

[Keyser_Soze]

They could take the materials used for the wall and sell them or use them for other projects.

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

38 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

I don't think Biden is some sort of saintly figure but considering his record so far in regards to shitting on Trump's policies I'm quite confident that if it were as easy as 'let's just stop', this'd be a big showstopper for him to pull out and he'd be doing it stat. There's gotta be more to it. 

Biden still hasn’t signed the paper to increase the number of refugees accepted by the US, which he promised to do back in early Feb. He’s not full steam ahead to dismantling everything shit Trump did. 

[Bloodporne]

Just now, Spawn_of_Apathy said:

Biden still hasn’t signed the paper to increase the number of refugees accepted by the US, which he promised to do back in early Feb. He’s not full steam ahead to dismantling everything shit Trump did. 

Yeah I don't think that either but he's pretty close to it considering the mountain of shit there has been to deal with. 

[Keyser_Soze]

13 minutes ago, Bloodporne said:

Yeah I don't think that either but he's pretty close to it considering the mountain of shit there has been to deal with. 

 

Yeah he's only been in office like 4 months.

[Guest]

Top level Dems don’t actually care about immigration, it’s really that simple

[Bloodporne]

6 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Top level Dems don’t actually care about immigration, it’s really that simple

I agree with that as well. Nobody does unless it's something outrage-inducingly obvious like Trump's administration. It'll be back to the normal broken-as-fuck state of affairs going forward. That being said I do think Biden is in full Appeasing My Base mode so I figured he'd be getting into this asap if it were simple enough just for how great it would look for him, to his supporters and the party.  

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

As painful as it is to see and hear to many on the left, but being moderate to kinda conservative on immigration may be something that is good electorally. The upper midwest white working class likes it (along with opposition to so called free trade deals) and from what little I know there's a lot of Latino citizens and voters who are counterintuitively not very pro-immigration. (A "shut the door behind you" kind of attitude)

 

Doesn't excuse the camps by any means but that's my read on it.

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

and from what little I know there's a lot of Latino citizens and voters who are counterintuitively not very pro-immigration. (A "shut the door behind you" kind of attitude)

 

They got hazed and now they demand that everyone else who comes after them gets hazed or else it means they got hazed for nothing, and they're the only really vocal constituency on this front because most Americans don't realize how utterly broken our immigration processes are.

 

[Anathema-]

46 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Top level Dems don’t actually care about immigration, it’s really that simple

 

It goes deeper, there are tons of anti-immigrant reliably democratic voting racial minorities. 

 

Bottom line is that the incentive to fix things won't come from congress. Glad that Biden seems good on this with his nominations even if he can't right the whole ship immediately and isn't facing a ton of pressure to do so. 

[Jason]

 

[Fizzzzle]

The first US immigration law was the Naturalization Act of 1790. This essentially made it so any free white person could emigrate (there was no "hispanic" distinction at the time). Think of this more as a "no black people" law, because free black people was confusing to them. Under this law, any white person could come to America and become a citizen after 5 years. This law was finally extended to black people in 1870. So the US essentially had open borders.

 

In 1875, the US started restricting immigration of "criminals, people with contagious diseases, polygamists, anarchists, beggars and importers of prostitutes." This was the start of a series of laws that were attempting to restrict the flow of immigrants from Asia coming to the west coast, ultimately culminating in the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882, which outright banned immigrants of Asian origin from entering the country.

 

The rise in Chinese hate was started by rhetoric from politicians who said that the Chinese were coming to take the jobs of white people and were dirty and spread diseases. "Don't hate the railroad tycoons who are hiring the Chinese for less than they pay you! Hate the Chinese!"

 

The Chinese Exclusion Act was not repealed until 1943. It wasn't decided "you can't exclude people based on race" until 1952.

 

In the early 1900's, immigrants started coming more from eastern Europe rather than west/northern Europe. Those people wrote in funny letters and might be commies. In 1921 was when the US finally started putting caps on how many immigrants could come from certain countries. Those certain countries mostly being from eastern Europe.

 

Truman tried to get rid of the origin story quota system in 1952, but that went over like a hot fart in a space suit.

 

Finally, in 1965, the Immigration and Nationality Act started to shift away from country quotas. It didn't matter where you were from or what race you are, it just mattered if you were skilled, had a lot of money, or had family already in the US. What this (intentionally or not) did, however, is that all of the sudden there was this flood of doctors, engineers, and whatever coming in from Asia. These new skilled Asian immigrants thrived, leading to the "model minority" myth. "Look at the Asians! Look how good they're doing! America is awesome! No one should have ANY REASON TO COMPLAIN, EVER! Now, pick up those bootstraps, Billy."

 

Honestly, if we are going to restrict immigration at all (which we shouldn't), I would actually prefer going back to "only [x] amount of people from [y]" system rather than "it doesn't matter as long as you're rich or skilled."