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Zaku3

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2 minutes ago, CayceG said:

 

 

I can't equate it to WW2 ships. I'm uneducated on that front. 

 

This, basically. 

 

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It has anti-air capabilities that are better than the Moskva (though fewer missiles). It has more versatile land attack missiles/anti-ship missiles. The Moskva did not have a land attack capability. It's supposedly harder to acquire on radar, and has a better self-defense suite than the Moskva. And it requires half the crew. 

 

That ship looks cool. Ya it be better to jsut build more of those and design a more modern crusier for a flag ship. Someone on twitter mentioned it only had 1 180 degree radar. It makes sense as a cost saving measure and in the Soviet Navy it would have been working with other ships but ya can't really do that if you plan to park it somewhere for whatever it's missions were.

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39 minutes ago, Zaku3 said:

 

I'm not too familiar with modern naval warfare. (Only encountered it in Wargame Red Dragon) A modern frigate is basically a large WW2 DD? With modern DDs being like I guess CLs used to be? 

 

Also oo snap Trumpeter makes a 1/350, scale Moskva. This reminds me another negative of the war I imagine Zveda (sp?) kits will be difficult to fine. I like the T-34 85 I got from them. Guess there is always chinese ebay seller. (Ugh) 

 

Everything has scaled up and the terms are losing meaning, kind of. China calls their new Cruiser a Destroyer, meanwhile Australia's new Frigate is bigger than their relatively new Destroyer. The US's new Frigate is huge with almost the same capability, just a third the missiles, as a Flight IIA Burke Destroyer, and the US's new Destroyer, being designed now, will be massive, bigger than the current Destroyers and Cruisers. Basically the Navy looks at it as small surface combatants (FFG and the functional LCS) and large surface combatants (DDG and CG). The beefy Frigate is because there is no way the US can replace the current Destroyers and Cruisers in the same numbers and the new Destroyer will take forever to design. Meanwhile, #BurkesForever

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13 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said:

Probably a way for the pilots to empty their rocket pods and say they attacked the position without having to fly over dangerous areas.

Its actually an old Soviet tactic and supposedly their computers have firing angles for this shit, not that it matters cause they're dumb rockets and go wherever the fuck they want, but its absolutely to avoid getting shot down like this guy last night cause they don't have fire and forget capabilities, lol.

 

 

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ISW analysis for 14 April 2022:

 

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 14 | Institute for the Study of War

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The Russian missile cruiser Moskva, flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, sunk on April 14 after a likely Ukrainian anti-ship missile strike on April 13. Ukrainian forces claimed to strike the Moskva with two Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles on April 13. The

 

 

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The Russian missile cruiser Moskva, flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, sunk on April 14 after a likely Ukrainian anti-ship missile strike on April 13. Ukrainian forces claimed to strike the Moskva with two Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles on April 13.[1] The Kremlin denied this claim and stated the Moskva suffered damage from an accidental fire and ammunition explosion.[2] Initial Ukrainian claims to have sunk the warship on April 13 were likely false, but the Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed the Moskva sank in a storm while being towed to Crimea after the crew evacuated.[3] ISW cannot independently confirm that a Ukrainian strike sunk the Moskva, though Ukrainian forces likely have the capability to have done so.

 

The loss of the Moskva—regardless if from a Ukrainian strike or an accident—is a major propaganda victory for Ukraine. The sinking of the Moskva, which was involved in the infamous “Snake Island” incident in the early days of the Russian invasion, is a boon to Ukrainian morale as a symbol of Ukrainian capabilities to strike back at the Russian navy. The Kremlin will conversely struggle to explain away the loss of one of the most important vessels in the Russian fleet. The Kremlin’s current story of losing the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet due to an accidental fire and ammunition explosion will, at minimum, likely hurt Russian morale and cannot be hidden from the Russian domestic audience. Both explanations for the sinking of the Moskva indicate possible Russian deficiencies—either poor air defenses or incredibly lax safety procedures and damage control on the Black Sea Fleet’s flagship.

 

The loss of the Moskva will degrade Russian air defenses in the Black Sea but is unlikely to deal a decisive blow to Russian operations on the whole. The Moskva is unlikely to have supported Russian strikes on Ukrainian land targets and primarily provided air defense coverage to Russia's Black Sea Fleet. Ukraine's possibly demonstrated ability to target Russian warships in the Black Sea may change Russian operating patterns, forcing them to either deploy additional air and point-defense assets to the Black Sea battlegroup or withdraw vessels from positions near the Ukrainian coast.

 

Key Takeaways

  • The flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet sunk on April 14 following a likely Ukrainian cruise missile strike on April 13. The loss of the Moskva is a significant propaganda victory for Ukraine but will likely have only limited effects on Russian operations.
  • Ukrainian officials admitted Russian forces captured “some” personnel from Ukraine’s 36th Marine Brigade in Mariupol despite initial denials, though Ukrainian defenders predominantly continued to hold out against Russian assaults.
  • Russian forces may have committed damaged units withdrawn from northeastern Ukraine to combat operations in eastern Ukraine for the first time on April 14. Continued daily Russian attacks in eastern Ukraine are failing to take any territory.
  • Ukrainian partisans have likely been active in the Melitopol region since at least mid-March.
  • Russian forces continued to redeploy from Belarus to Russia for further deployment to eastern Ukraine.

The Ukrainian General Staff reported Russian conscription measures in Donbas have been largely unsuccessful, reporting Russia sought to mobilize 60-70,000 personnel by an unspecified date and has only recruited 20% of its goal.[4] ISW cannot independently confirm these reports, though they are consistent with the demoralization observed among Russian and proxy personnel. The Ukrainian General Staff additionally reported that unspecified elements of Russia’s Northern Fleet and 8th Combined Arms Army are preparing to deploy to Ukraine, though the Russian military likely has little effective combat power remaining to send to Ukraine.[5]

 

 

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