Joe Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, chakoo said: This is gonna make @Joe day Canada could start producing COVID-19 vaccines domestically by summer: sources | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is expected to announce a plan today to start producing COVID-19 vaccines in Canada as early as this summer. "Senior government officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told CBC News the prime minister will announce that U.S. pharmaceutical company Novavax has agreed to produce its vaccine, if approved by Health Canada, at the National Research Council of Canada's facilities in Montreal." I’m obsessively checking AMC’s garbage stock meanwhile Novavax is about to triple in price for me lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Holy cow! The Russians did it! BBC News - Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has 92% efficacy in trial Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has 92% efficacy in trial WWW.BBC.CO.UK Trials with 20,000 volunteers show the vaccine gives a high level of protection against Covid-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, chakoo said: This is gonna make @Joe day Canada could start producing COVID-19 vaccines domestically by summer: sources | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is expected to announce a plan today to start producing COVID-19 vaccines in Canada as early as this summer. "Senior government officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told CBC News the prime minister will announce that U.S. pharmaceutical company Novavax has agreed to produce its vaccine, if approved by Health Canada, at the National Research Council of Canada's facilities in Montreal." We need to release IP for covid vaccines so that India and any other enterprising country can try to make their own vaccine. But canada and the uk and others have blocked this at the WTO. Otherwise a lot of these places in the global south are looking at 3 years until vaccination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I'm just waiting for the J&J vaccine to get FDA approval. I assume it won't be for at least another 2-3 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Holy cow! The Russians did it! BBC News - Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has 92% efficacy in trial Russia's Sputnik V vaccine has 92% efficacy in trial WWW.BBC.CO.UK Trials with 20,000 volunteers show the vaccine gives a high level of protection against Covid-19. Do we trust this lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, Joe said: Do we trust this lol? The results were published in The Lancet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 We had this conversation on the previous page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Even with the delays, Canada is still on-track to complete vaccination by end of September, and that's only with the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. With AZ, J&J, and Novavax, we will be even better: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Even with the delays, Canada is still on-track to complete vaccination by end of September, and that's only with the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. With AZ, J&J, and Novavax, we will be even better: It's an amazing achievement that people are not appreciating because the initial rollout in most places has been slow and clunky. There were legitimate reasons 6 months ago to believe we wouldn't have a worthwhile vaccine for a few years, and we are now talking about major vaccination programs covering entire nations before next winter. Again, the time for optimism is upon us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, sblfilms said: It's an amazing achievement that people are not appreciating because the initial rollout in most places has been slow and clunky. There were legitimate reasons 6 months ago to believe we wouldn't have a worthwhile vaccine for a few years, and we are now talking about major vaccination programs covering entire nations before next winter. Again, the time for optimism is upon us. Absolutely. To nitpick at this point over a 1-3 month difference in national vaccinations is silly. This is the largest medical achievement in likely a generation (or possibly multiple), in terms of mobilization and directed effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share Posted February 2, 2021 Canada's Vaccination Rollout Will Lag 6 Months Behind U.S., Europe: Forecast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 My friend and I set an tentative date to meet up on the weekend of April 16-19. I'd like to think that with the vamped up vaccine production and the J&J vaccine getting approved soon, I'd like to think that, while things won't be normal by then, they'll at least be much safer. Plus, maybe we'll both get our doses by then, so hey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Feds to start sending COVID vaccine to pharmacies next week APNEWS.COM WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration will begin shipping COVID-19 vaccines to U.S. pharmacies next week, ramping up vaccinations as new and... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Well this might be a bit problematic: The tldr version. My town/county just had another superspreader event. This time a majority of them being younger children that are showing symptoms on top of being the primary spreaders. Of course people in town are denying it, to which my response to them is, congratulations you stupidity has now caused our small town to become a case study. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 i have a student who has been sick with covid for about three weeks now. shortness of breath and coughing still. only old people doe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 From what I am getting the pure number here is the concerning part that is getting more state agencies and other involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 My parents' appointments got rescheduled from tomorrow to next Tuesday and not because of the snow, but because the place ran out. How do they run out when they know the number of appointments they have? The shipment comes up short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jason said: My parents' appointments got rescheduled from tomorrow to next Tuesday and not because of the snow, but because the place ran out. How do they run out when they know the number of appointments they have? The shipment comes up short? The shipments being smaller than expected wouldn't surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Bright side for today after my gloom post. Wife got her first dose today and my son and me are scheduled for the next shipment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Fuck bill gates 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Fuck bill gates Not saying this as a dudebro who got some gains from a vaccine stock, but how do these companies get compensated in such a scenario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Joe said: Not saying this as a dudebro who got some gains from a vaccine stock, but how do these companies get compensated in such a scenario? The CEOs don't get the . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Joe said: Not saying this as a dudebro who got some gains from a vaccine stock, but how do these companies get compensated in such a scenario? They don't. That's the point. Fact of the matter is many global south countries will not have widespread vaccination until 2023. It's indefensible that hundreds of millions, at least, have to suffer for years and we can't relax patent protections for the covid vaccine to allow a country like India, who has significant pharma manufacturing know how and infrastructure, to at least attempt to make more vaccines without fear of reprisal from other countries; we should be giving them the know how to further ramp up production anyway. Further given that most of the vaccines have been paid for largely by governments it is insane that we even care about the profits of pharmaceutical companies when millions of lives are on the line. To say nothing of further viral variants which may arise the longer the pandemic goes on in these countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: They don't. That's the point. Fact of the matter is many global south countries will not have widespread vaccination until 2023. It's indefensible that hundreds of millions, at least, have to suffer for years and we can't relax patent protections for the covid vaccine to allow a country like India, who has significant pharma manufacturing know how and infrastructure, to at least attempt to make more vaccines without fear of reprisal from other countries; we should be giving them the know how to further ramp up production anyway. Further given that most of the vaccines have been paid for largely by governments it is insane that we even care about the profits of pharmaceutical companies when millions of lives are on the line. To say nothing of further viral variants which may arise the longer the pandemic goes on in these countries. I get it and it’s horrible, but until actual viable solutions are proposed, this will keep happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Joe said: I get it and it’s horrible, but until actual viable solutions are proposed, this will keep happening. Why is it not viable to give production rights for the vaccines to India’s pharma firms for doses to the developing world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 EU says it has authorized vaccine delivery to Canada | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA The European Commission said in a statement to CBC News that it will seek to limit application of its recently announced COVID-19 export controls, adding that it has already given... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 39 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Why is it not viable to give production rights for the vaccines to India’s pharma firms for doses to the developing world? How would it be viable? So we just open up the patent rights and tell the companies to get fucked? That has a chance of happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 There is also a very strong reason that governments should be making emergency waivers on patents globally: there is a chance that the entire western world could be vaccinated this year...and then next fall, before the rest of the world is done, a new vaccine-resistant variant mutated in Asia or Africa, and all the work was for nothing (or there is some protection, but the new variants still spread and cause sickness). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Joe said: How would it be viable? So we just open up the patent rights and tell the companies to get fucked? That has a chance of happening? Governments paid for most of the vaccine research, is the main argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Governments paid for most of the vaccine research, is the main argument. Most being the key word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: Governments paid for most of the vaccine research, is the main argument. Governments pay for the vast majority of all drug research so the argument goes for other drugs too but that's off topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 It's also worth specifically noting that the B&MGF specifically came out against the Oxford vaccine being "open sourced" They Pledged to Donate Rights to Their COVID Vaccine, Then Sold Them to Pharma | Kaiser Health News KHN.ORG Advocates of cheap and widely available vaccines thought the pandemic might change business as usual. They were wrong. Quote Oxford University surprised and pleased advocates of overhauling the vaccine business in April by promising to donate the rights to its promising coronavirus vaccine to any drugmaker. The idea was to provide medicines preventing or treating COVID-19 at a low cost or free of charge, the British university said. That made sense to people seeking change. The coronavirus was raging. Many agreed that traditional vaccine development, characterized by long lead times, manufacturing monopolies and weak investment, was broken. “We actually thought they were going to do that,” James Love, director of Knowledge Ecology International, a nonprofit that works to expand access to medical technology, said of Oxford’s pledge. “Why wouldn’t people agree to let everyone have access to the best vaccines possible?” A few weeks later, Oxford—urged on by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation—reversed course. It signed an exclusive vaccine deal with AstraZeneca that gave the pharmaceutical giant sole rights and no guarantee of low prices—with the less-publicized potential for Oxford to eventually make millions from the deal and win plenty of prestige. Other companies working on coronavirus vaccines have followed the same line, collecting billions in government grants, hoarding patents, revealing as little as possible about their deals—and planning to charge up to $37 a dose for potentially hundreds of millions of shots. Quote AstraZeneca, one of the U.K.’s two major pharma companies, may have demanded an exclusive license in return for doing a deal, said Ken Shadlen, a professor at the London School of Economics and an authority on pharma patents—a theory supported by comments from CEO Soriot. “I think IP [intellectual property, or exclusive patents] is a fundamental part of our industry and if you don’t protect IP, then essentially there is no incentive for anybody to innovate,” Soriot told the newspaper The Telegraph in May. Absolutely laughable statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamer.tv Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Still hoping on getting vaccinated in a few weeks if the UK stays on course. It would be nice to have a bit of immunity when I’m back to having 34 people in a bit massive room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 7 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: It's also worth specifically noting that the B&MGF specifically came out against the Oxford vaccine being "open sourced" They Pledged to Donate Rights to Their COVID Vaccine, Then Sold Them to Pharma | Kaiser Health News KHN.ORG Advocates of cheap and widely available vaccines thought the pandemic might change business as usual. They were wrong. Absolutely laughable statement. You open up the patents, companies like Moderna, Novavax, Inovio, Ocugen, and Vaxart go out of business overnight as every investor pulls out their money. Not every company involved in vaccine development is a giant pharmaceutical company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Absolutely nonsense. They have the advantage of incumbency, first to market, and already producing goods. They've been gifted billions from the government for manufacturing and distribution and supply chains which is also a huge advantage investors won't get elsewhere. And allegedly they're making the vaccines at cost, or not for profit, "for the duration of the pandemic", but it sounds like they get to keep the assets used for manufacture. And if investors pull money do you really think the USG would not step in to make sure production isn't disrupted? C'mon man. Pharma FUD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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