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SaysWho? Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I started watching a minute or two before you posted. This was a fantastic segment, and I love when someone who does this clearly has an appreciation for the product and actually watched. There are a lot of stereotypes for wrestling fans, but the fanbase is diverse and international, and all the ones I speak with, while disappointed if a wrestler is out due to a concussion, prefer they get better considering early deaths and retirements among wrestlers. Seeing Scott Hall make his Hall of Fame speech coherently -- yes, I know that sounds backhanded, but it's true -- was awesome, and hearing him share stories and insight is great. Hearing Bret Hart speaking excitedly (excited by his standards) about ring psychology is great. They break their backs all year, and Vince, as entertaining and amazing as his in-ring character is and how great he made the organization in the late 90s/early 2000s, seems like a dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 really good segment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Jake the Snake will live a long time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spork3245 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Unbelievably good segment So glad John did this and I truly hope it gets a ton of attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 great eye opening segment. Amazing what Vince has gotten away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Watched it this morning. Well done episode. As a lapsed wrestling fan, this actually kinda makes me want to watch again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, Slug said: Watched it this morning. Well done episode. As a lapsed wrestling fan, this actually kinda makes me want to watch again. I'd say you're not missing much (story wise, as there are plenty of talented people wrestling there), but years ago I started watching again in 2009 and 2010, and 2010 was "There is no God" levels of despair, so you may enjoy it now if I could get through that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I'd say you're not missing much (story wise, as there are plenty of talented people wrestling there), but years ago I started watching again in 2009 and 2010, and 2010 was "There is no God" levels of despair, so you may enjoy it now if I could get through that. I stopped watching way back when the story was the first time that they "split the roster" and had a "draft" between the two main shows. That's when I was like...alright I'm out. I'm willing to check it out though. Which show has most of the lucha guys on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, Slug said: Which show has most of the lucha guys on it? 205 Live, which is only on the network Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: 205 Live, which is only on the network "the network" meaning I can't just watch 'em on TV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 WWE response: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/wwe-hits-back-john-olivers-last-week-tonight-wrestling-takedown-1198510 "John Oliver is clearly a clever and humorous entertainer, however, the subject matter covered in his WWE segment is no laughing matter," the organization said in the statement to The Hollywood Reporter. "Prior to airing, WWE responded to his producers refuting every point in his one-sided presentation. John Oliver simply ignored the facts. The health and wellness of our performers is the single most important aspect of our business, and we have a comprehensive, longstanding Talent Wellness program. We invite John Oliver to attend WrestleMania this Sunday to learn more about our company." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Slug said: I stopped watching way back when the story was the first time that they "split the roster" and had a "draft" between the two main shows. That's when I was like...alright I'm out. I'm willing to check it out though. Which show has most of the lucha guys on it? The ratings started to decline in 2001, but if you look at each Raw/Smackdown, that's exactly the point many checked out, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 32 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: The ratings started to decline in 2001, but if you look at each Raw/Smackdown, that's exactly the point many checked out, too. I did too but feel I missed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Slug said: "the network" meaning I can't just watch 'em on TV? Correct. 205 Live is their cruiser weight show. 2 hours ago, Slug said: WWE response: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/wwe-hits-back-john-olivers-last-week-tonight-wrestling-takedown-1198510 "John Oliver is clearly a clever and humorous entertainer, however, the subject matter covered in his WWE segment is no laughing matter," the organization said in the statement to The Hollywood Reporter. "Prior to airing, WWE responded to his producers refuting every point in his one-sided presentation. John Oliver simply ignored the facts. The health and wellness of our performers is the single most important aspect of our business, and we have a comprehensive, longstanding Talent Wellness program. We invite John Oliver to attend WrestleMania this Sunday to learn more about our company." Counter-point: then make your wrestlers actual employees, give them a retirement plan, health care, paid vacation, etc. But, oh, no, he "ignored the facts". This has been an issue for a LONG time, and just because WWE has "gotten better at it" doesn't mean they're good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 NXT is probably the only thing worth watching. I'll watch WM out of tradition next week, but I plan on cancelling the Network once it's over. There isn't a single match I'm excited for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dodger said: NXT is probably the only thing worth watching. I'll watch WM out of tradition next week, but I plan on cancelling the Network once it's over. There isn't a single match I'm excited for. I’m excited to see Kofi get the belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdeaOfEvil Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 This makes me worry that outside opinions are going to lean more towards "jaded ex-employees are going to agree with this segment only", which is bullshit. CM Punk tweeted his love for it, so there's bound to be someone who's gonna say he only likes it because the WWE burned him =/ Hopefully fans know Vince is a dick and his wife is a horrible person who keep their current and former employees in a basement of fear and oppression. And I bet this kind of newsworthy segment won't get the support it should because it's not really anything new to the people like us who have followed behind-the-scenes stories for years, and other fans won't care enough... Sux. What I'd really be curious to hear is what do employees who work in other companies feel about it? Is it legit across the board, or just specific to Vince and family? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 11 hours ago, IdeaOfEvil said: This makes me worry that outside opinions are going to lean more towards "jaded ex-employees are going to agree with this segment only", which is bullshit. CM Punk tweeted his love for it, so there's bound to be someone who's gonna say he only likes it because the WWE burned him =/ Hopefully fans know Vince is a dick and his wife is a horrible person who keep their current and former employees in a basement of fear and oppression. And I bet this kind of newsworthy segment won't get the support it should because it's not really anything new to the people like us who have followed behind-the-scenes stories for years, and other fans won't care enough... Sux. What I'd really be curious to hear is what do employees who work in other companies feel about it? Is it legit across the board, or just specific to Vince and family? Part of what's impressive about the segment is there's plenty of Last Week Tonight fans who aren't wrestling fans but do understand bad workplace conditions. WWE is responding due to mainstream attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdeaOfEvil Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Looks like Rey Mysterio just got sidelined with an ankle injury. Just in time for Vince to prove how wrong John Oliver is, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallDarkness Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Is there a final match count on this upcoming abomination? is it 35 matches for WM 35? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 13 hours ago, IdeaOfEvil said: Looks like Rey Mysterio just got sidelined with an ankle injury. Just in time for Vince to prove how wrong John Oliver is, lol I am listening to Busted Open and Bully Ray seems to make me feel that it won't be the case. It seems like the top guys get preferential treatment. Really hard to say since it sounds like the contracts can be negotiated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokra Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 As a non-follower of wrestling, that was a great segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Zaku3 said: I am listening to Busted Open and Bully Ray seems to make me feel that it won't be the case. It seems like the top guys get preferential treatment. Really hard to say since it sounds like the contracts can be negotiated. Yes, the top guys have their travel paid for among other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 51 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Yes, the top guys have their travel paid for among other things. He seemed to write most the segment. Which i found annoying. My initial response is you are Bully Ray of course you can negotiate your contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: He seemed to write most the segment. Which i found annoying. My initial response is you are Bully Ray of course you can negotiate your contract. Also, actual employees with actual benefits can negotiate contracts as well... so... what’s his argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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