TheGreatGamble Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 I mean, she never should have gotten out, she's traitor, but im not sure how i feel about this arrest yet, need more details. https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/08/politics/chelsea-manning-detained-contempt-wikileaks/index.html Quote
CitizenVectron Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 George Washington was a traitor as well. Quote
TwinIon Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 From the Post: Quote “These secret proceedings tend to favor the government,” she said. “I’m always willing to explain things publicly.” Manning held up a giant stack of papers — the transcripts from her military trial, which she said would tell prosecutors everything they want to know. “I’ve given voluminous testimony; I’ve given voluminous information,” she said. So she's refusing to testify to a grand jury because she doesn't like the idea of secret grand juries in general? I understand she's not a fan of government secrecy, but if she's right and all she'd be telling them is what she's already revealed publicly, then that's quite a stand she's taking. I guess I can commend her commitment, but this seems like a pointless battle, unless there is something else at stake here. Quote
TheGreatGamble Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 32 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: George Washington was a traitor as well. He stopped being a traitor the second they 2won thewar. Manning won nothing, and should still be rotting in a cell. Quote
CitizenVectron Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: He stopped being a traitor the second they 2won thewar. Manning won nothing, and should still be rotting in a cell. So if Manning became President then it would no longer be traitorous? lol. Hold some consistent positions, man! Quote
TheGreatGamble Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: So if Manning became President then it would no longer be traitorous? lol. Hold some consistent positions, man! you are reaching so far. Washington was a traitor until he was no longer a british subject. Manning is still a US citizen, and therefore still a traitor, by law. A convicted traitor. Quote
TheGreatGamble Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 And she's a traitor who tried to hurt America. Washington fought to create it. The only similarity is the word traitor. Quote
CitizenVectron Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 If you agree with her position, then she was a whistleblower. Personally I think that she leaked far too many documents, things that had no particular importance to the cause of anti-Imperialism/atrocity argument. Also, if you simply believe that someone is a traitor because the law says they are...then that's not very principled. Quote
Guest Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 If Bradley Manning was a traitor, it was on accident because he was just a Che shirt wearing edgelord. Quote
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 44 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: What did he expect? 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: If Bradley Manning was a traitor, it was on accident because he was just a Che shirt wearing edgelord. Guys. Don't be like that. Quote
mclumber1 Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Guys. Don't be like that. ? Quote
Guest Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Guys. Don't be like that. That’s who Chelsea was at the time. Quote
TheGreatGamble Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Guys. Don't be like that. Why? Its valid to feel someone born a man isn't a woman? I don't have a problem calling her "her", but I don't have a problem withsomeone not being ok with it too. Quote
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: ? Just now, sblfilms said: That’s who Chelsea was at the time. I'll grant you that, but when discussing what nonsense she's doing now, it's Chelsea. It was not entirely clear from your posts Quote
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: Why? Its valid to feel someone born a man isn't a woman? I don't have a problem calling her "her", but I don't have a problem withsomeone not being ok with it too. "I'm not a transphobe, but I don't have a problem with people who are" Quote
CitizenVectron Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, TheGreatGamble said: Why? Its valid to feel someone born a man isn't a woman? I don't have a problem calling her "her", but I don't have a problem withsomeone not being ok with it too. But you do have a problem with a private forum/service banning people for not being okay with it. Quote
TheGreatGamble Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: But you do have a problem with a private forum/service banning people for not being okay with it. nope. If those are the rules here, thats different. This site will never affect public discourse on politics. Quote
TheGreatGamble Posted March 8, 2019 Author Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: "I'm not a transphobe, but I don't have a problem with people who are" And I don't, if they aren't actively trying to hurt others because of their beliefs. Quote
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 Say the exact same statement but about race or gender and listen to how stupid that sounds; it's also tacit acceptance that hurtful statements are socially acceptable. Quote
Jason Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 So is every single thread today just going to be a of going in pointless circles? Quote
Guest Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I'll grant you that, but when discussing what nonsense she's doing now, it's Chelsea. It was not entirely clear from your posts The point I was attempting to make is that the person(a?) who committed the crime didn’t seem to be one with the calculated intent of harming the US for the gain of another state...they shopped at Hot Topic to show how transgressive they were. They document dumped to Wikileaks or whatever to show how transgressive they were. Just giving context to why I’m not sure traitor is an accurate label. Quote
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jason said: So is every single thread today just going to be a of going in pointless circles? Son, it's a slow work day for me, so it's pedantic o'clock 1 Quote
Guest Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Son, it's a slow work day for me, so it's pedantic o'clock Quote
RedSoxFan9 Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 I’m shocked to see some anti-trans tropes in this thread Quote
sexy_shapiro Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 There’s a difference between genuine transphobia and those who mean well but are still learning how to talk about this issue in a more sensitive manner. Let’s learn to be more forgiving of the later. Quote
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 It's not hard to use the correct pronouns when referring to a trans person. Quote
CayceG Posted March 8, 2019 Posted March 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said: There’s a difference between genuine transphobia and those who mean well but are still learning how to talk about this issue in a more sensitive manner. Let’s learn to be more forgiving of the later. None of the latter is happening here. Quote
Keyser_Soze Posted March 9, 2019 Posted March 9, 2019 I'm having some Catherine flashbacks itt. Quote
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