skillzdadirecta Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 39 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I'm actually surprised by that, because it was the subject of a series of documentaries on HBO, got a ton of publicity from celebrities like Johnny Depp, Pearl Jam, Metallica, Dixie Chicks, etc., and made big headlines when they were released in 2011. Wait were those the Heavy Metal dudes that got falsely accused of Satanic Murders? If so I did see that doc and I AM familiar with the case... just did a story recently with the director of that Doc who did the new Ted Bundy story that Zac Effron is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Wait were those the Heavy Metal dudes that got falsely accused of Satanic Murders? If so I did see that doc and I AM familiar with the case... just did a story recently with the director of that Doc who did the new Ted Bundy story that Zac Effron is in. That's the case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Wait were those the Heavy Metal dudes that got falsely accused of Satanic Murders? If so I did see that doc and I AM familiar with the case... just did a story recently with the director of that Doc who did the new Ted Bundy story that Zac Effron is in. You do know of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ For those who want the statistics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ For those who want the statistics... Why are they only counting 107 mass shootings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Why are they only counting 107 mass shootings? I was trying to find out everything they listed and all the data collected. I’ll report back with my findings. So far they seem to be the biggest most reliable statistically gathered informational group out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Why are they only counting 107 mass shootings? Because a gangland shooting is no more a mass shooting than the DC Sniper incidents were a mass shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, mclumber1 said: Because a gangland shooting is no more a mass shooting than the DC Sniper incidents were a mass shooting. Gun violence is gun violence and I'd like a list of all the shootings the article represented, because that still seems awfully low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Why are they only counting 107 mass shootings? So far it looks like they don’t count gang related mass shootings and attempted mass shootings with no deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Gun violence is gun violence and I'd like a list of all the shootings the article represented, because that still seems awfully low. Not disagreeing with you, but there are reasons why “gun violence” should have distinct categorical breakdowns. And yes, I would like to see what they consider mass shootings and other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 After going through the data, I’m shocked that “white males” aren’t over represented according to their population. Slightly under, according to the data. But overall it seems all nationalities are about on par for their population percentage. They must be excluding some data... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triage Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 One of the victims was a 21 year old intern and it was his first day at work. He was sitting in on firing the gunman (that I mentioned was working there 15 years). The victim was going to be 22 this April. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triage Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Here on the shooter https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/02/15/aurora-shooter-gary-martin/amp/ And today news says all 5 victims are workers from the factory all men. 5 police officers injured in cross fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Triage said: One of the victims was a 21 year old intern and it was his first day at work. He was sitting in on firing the gunman (that I mentioned was working there 15 years). The victim was going to be 22 this April. Did he know he was gonna get fired that day and brought his gun to shoot the place up or did he snap and just happen to have his gun on him? Also why would you have an intern sit in on a firing his first day? Seems like a bit much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triage Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Did he know he was gonna get fired that day and brought his gun to shoot the place up or did he snap and just happen to have his gun on him? Also why would you gave an intern sit in on a firing his first day? Seems like a bit much. He knew two weeks ago that yesterday Friday will be his last day. They did announce the lay off letting people know. Having the intern there day one seems idiotic to me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triage Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Watching the press conference The shooter had 6 prior arrests and got FOID card then they found he was charged with assault and batery in 1995 then revoked his card but in the mean time he got his gun. How does one with 6 arrests get an approval in the first place? 2 of the employees dead were HR. One forklift operator just at the wrong place at the wrong time. All police officers injured all 6 not life threatening injuries. One already released this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, Triage said: Watching the press conference The shooter had 6 prior arrests and got FOID card then they found he was charged with assault and batery in 1995 then revoked his card but in the mean time he got his gun. How does one with 6 arrests get an approval in the first place? Because our gun laws are fucked... conservatives went after Obama when he wanted to keep folks on the terrorist watch list from being able to get guns. Also people who were deemed unable to handle their financial affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triage Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: Because our gun laws are fucked... conservatives went after Obama when he wanted to keep folks on the terrorist watch list from being able to get guns. Also people who were deemed unable to handle their financial affairs. This is fucked up. I'm okay with people owning guns but damn have stricter rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Because our gun laws are fucked... conservatives went after Obama when he wanted to keep folks on the terrorist watch list from being able to get guns. Also people who were deemed unable to handle their financial affairs. If you end up on a terrorist watch list, how do you get off of it? What if you want to fly or buy a gun? Are you fucked then? What about due process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Triage said: This is fucked up. I'm okay with people owning guns but damn have stricter rules! Talk to the NRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, mclumber1 said: If you end up on a terrorist watch list, how do you get off of it? What if you want to fly or buy a gun? Are you fucked then? What about due process? And here we go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triage Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: Talk to the NRA. Well we know however that works People are asking about the intern that was shot. The police won't confirm if he was or wasn't in the room during the firing but only that he is one of the victims. Mother that lost her son had her friend make the post on our local page saying he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: And here we go... But seriously - the terrorist watch list is a secret list compiled by the government with no judicial oversight, no recourse for removal from the list, and you have no due process in the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Put everybody on the watchlist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triage Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 @skillzdadirecta the intern was from NIU that was his field of study HR that's why he WAS in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 There's a simple solution to the problem of letting people on the watch list purchase firearms: abolish the Second Amendment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chris- said: There's a simple solution to the problem of letting people on the watch list purchase firearms: abolish the Second Amendment. buT AmeNDING the CONSTitution IS UNCONStItutional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 54 minutes ago, Triage said: @skillzdadirecta the intern was from NIU that was his field of study HR that's why he WAS in the room. I figured as much... still seems like a lot for the guy's first day though. Watch people get fired... reminds me of that movie "Up In The Air" from awhile back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: I figured as much... still seems like a lot for the guy's first day though. Watch people get fired... reminds me of that movie "Up In The Air" from awhile back. That was a great movie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 I’m all for respecting the second amendment and honoring the hunting culture in our society. So ban all handguns. That is truly the problem with gun violence in our society. Also ban any semi automatic rifles. And institute magazine limits of no more than 5-10. Shotguns and single shot rifles only. I think it’s a perfect compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: That was a great movie! It was a really good movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, osxmatt said: I’m all for respecting the second amendment and honoring the hunting culture in our society. So ban all handguns. That is truly the problem with gun violence in our society. Also ban any semi automatic rifles. And institute magazine limits of no more than 5-10. Shotguns and single shot rifles only. I think it’s a perfect compromise. The Supreme Court has ruled that handguns are protected under the second amendment, so you can't really respect that right if you intend to ban those devices. I suppose you could attempt to ban semi-automatic firearms, but the it's likely the Supreme Court would overturn that law as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: The Supreme Court has ruled that handguns are protected under the second amendment, so you can't really respect that right if you intend to ban those devices. I suppose you could attempt to ban semi-automatic firearms, but the it's likely the Supreme Court would overturn that law as well. Unpopular opinion - The Supreme Court is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, osxmatt said: Unpopular opinion - The Supreme Court is wrong. “The Supreme Court is wrong” is a pretty popular opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, sblfilms said: “The Supreme Court is wrong” is a pretty popular opinion Didn't the Supreme Court rule that corporations are people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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