mclumber1 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Didn't the Supreme Court rule that corporations are people? They also ruled abortion is legal under some twisted logic that it is a privacy concern and that privacy is somehow enshrined in the constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: They also ruled abortion is legal under some twisted logic that it is a privacy concern and that privacy is somehow enshrined in the constitution. You're a Libertarian right? You're saying that you'd be cool with the Government telling women how to take care of their bodies? That the State should be involved with family planning? So by that right, The State should be responsible for all these babies after they're born, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Weird, I always thought that person's medical decisions were private. It's like Healthcare 101. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: You're a Libertarian right? You're saying that you'd be cool with the Government telling women how to take care of their bodies? That the State should be involved with family planning? So by that right, The State should be responsible for all these babies after they're born, right? I don't think abortion should be illegal. It would create a dangerous black market for the procedure. In most cases, I think abortion is immoral, but I wouldn't push my beliefs on others. The point of my last post is that trying to say someone has a right to abortions based on privacy is, in my mind, crazy. You could theoretically have a "don't ask, don't tell" type of abortion law, where it is legal only because a patient or doctor doesn't divulge the procedure, but if the woman were to admit to the abortion to law enforcement, she could be charged with a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Weird, I always thought that person's medical decisions were private. It's like Healthcare 101. Literally HIPAA. Anyone even remotely working with health care information needs to be aware of it. Not to mention the 9th amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Literally HIPAA. Anyone even remotely working with health care information needs to be aware of it. I know, I was being sarcastic. As a RN of many years, I'm well acquainted with it, as is everyone else in the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I know, I was being sarcastic. As a RN of many years, I'm well acquainted with it, as is everyone else in the field. I know you knew, but it may have passed over some other heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I know you knew, but it may have passed over some other heads I know you knew she knew bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 6 hours ago, mclumber1 said: I don't think abortion should be illegal. It would create a dangerous black market for the procedure. In most cases, I think abortion is immoral, but I wouldn't push my beliefs on others. The point of my last post is that trying to say someone has a right to abortions based on privacy is, in my mind, crazy. You could theoretically have a "don't ask, don't tell" type of abortion law, where it is legal only because a patient or doctor doesn't divulge the procedure, but if the woman were to admit to the abortion to law enforcement, she could be charged with a crime. I’m actually very interested in the details of why you find abortion immoral, and the timelines during pregnancy that you hold this belief. Do you have a specific timeframe, during pregnancy, that it becomes immoral to have an abortion, or does that matter? Would you mind elaborating on the specifics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Boyle5150 said: I’m actually very interested in the details of why you find abortion immoral, and the timelines during pregnancy that you hold this belief. Do you have a specific timeframe, during pregnancy, that it becomes immoral to have an abortion, or does that matter? Would you mind elaborating on the specifics? I guess it's on a spectrum for me. It's one thing to have an abortion because there will be health complications with the mother or baby, and it's another if the pregnancy simply wasn't wanted. I would assume that most abortions performed are not because of health reasons, but because the mother didn't want to have the baby. Also, I feel that the later a woman chooses to have an abortion, the more immoral it becomes (except for health reasons). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 A girl I work with is pregnant and she seems to have a realistic viewpoint when it comes to pregnancy. She got her first ultrasound a couple of weeks ago and she said her fetus looks like a nugget. She said she won't recognize it as a human because it doesn't look like one, so it's nugget for now. Then she was talking about how people were saying, "You're a mother now so..." and she says she's not a mother till the bun comes out of the oven. Anything could happen between here and now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I guess it's on a spectrum for me. It's one thing to have an abortion because there will be health complications with the mother or baby, and it's another if the pregnancy simply wasn't wanted. I would assume that most abortions performed are not because of health reasons, but because the mother didn't want to have the baby. Also, I feel that the later a woman chooses to have an abortion, the more immoral it becomes (except for health reasons). I can understand that position. I Would also like to ask if you think financial reasons should be a factor as well? If a pregnancy simply “wasn’t wanted”, do you think that it’s immoral to require the suffering (in multiple aspects) of the mother/host to proceeed with the pregnancy because of a subjective understanding of what can be subjectively viewed as immoral and what constitutes as wellbeing and the total amount of suffering that can be had by all persons involved? You seem to hold many libertarian views, and I am always baffled by those who hold this one. Forgive my ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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