SuperSpreader Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 since commercial flights were cancelled Mexico sent a military craft to bring back any Mexican nationals living in the area, there's a few thousand, at least 300 decided to leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Jesus, this came up in my recommended feed on Youtube and I thought it was weird how it seemed familiar and then I realized I had watched it... 2 years ago. Of course, could've been made pretty much any time in the last several decades, but I think it's still relevant for the most part. It is of course not an ultra-comprehensive history or anything like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Chicago area landlord accused of killing boy, 6, stabbing woman because they were Muslim WWW.CBSNEWS.COM Joseph Czuba has been charged with one count each of first-degree murder, attempted murder, and aggravated battery, and two counts of hate crime. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Well, he looks exactly like I would expect him to look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 11 hours ago, Xbob42 said: Jesus, this came up in my recommended feed on Youtube and I thought it was weird how it seemed familiar and then I realized I had watched it... 2 years ago. Of course, could've been made pretty much any time in the last several decades, but I think it's still relevant for the most part. It is of course not an ultra-comprehensive history or anything like that. These are good as well: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 From the Associated Press: Hamas said it made the decision to attack Israel without direction from outside Quote Ahmed Abdul-Hadi, the representative of Hamas in Lebanon, insisted Monday that the decision to launch the surprise Oct. 7 attack in southern Israel was made by Hamas leadership and not directed by Iran or any other outside party, but he said that in event of a ground invasion of Gaza, allied groups will intervene. The war in Gaza is “a Palestinian battle and the decision to enter it was a Palestinian decision” made by Hamas and its military wing, the Izz ad-Din al Qassam Brigades, “together with the Palestinian resistance factions,” he said in an interview with The Associated Press ahead of a conference convened by the group in Beirut. Hamas officials have denied that Iran was directly involved in planning the deadly attack or gave it the green light, and to date no government worldwide has offered direct evidence that Iran orchestrated the attack. However, many have pointed to Iran’s long sponsorship of Hamas that has included training, funding and providing it with weapons. Abdul-Hadi said that Hamas allies Iran and Hezbollah will not allow Israel “to crush Gaza” or to launch a “comprehensive ground attack,” but that the groups have deliberately left ambiguity about when and how they would respond. “This is up to the developments in the situation at the time.” In case of a “ground attack, regardless of its level,” or if “more and more massacres continue to be committed” in Gaza and Hamas is using up its resources, he said, there will be “surprises announced.” Hezbollah appears to be increasing its "direct actions" on the Lebanese/Israeli border: Hezbollah destroys Israeli surveillance cameras along the Lebanese border as tension soars APNEWS.COM Lebanon’s militant Hezbollah group said Monday it has started destroying surveillance cameras on several Israeli army posts along the border as tension rose following the Israel-Hamas war that began Oct.7. Quote Lebanon’s militant Hezbollah group said Monday it has started destroying surveillance cameras on several Israeli army posts along the border as tension rose following the Israel-Hamas war that began Oct.7. Hezbollah’s military media arm released a video showing snipers shooting at and destroying surveillance cameras placed on five points along the Lebanon-Israel border including one outside the Israeli town of Metula. The militant group appears to want to prevent the Israeli army from monitoring movements on the Lebanese side of the border after days of fire exchange that left at least seven people dead, including four Hezbollah fighters, on the Lebanese side. Hezbollah says it has attacked Israeli border posts Quote Lebanon’s militant Hezbollah group says its fighters have targeted five Israeli posts along the border in the country’s south. Hezbollah said in a terse statement that various types of “direct weapons” were used in the late Monday afternoon attack. Hezbollah fighters have been destroying surveillance cameras placed on Israeli posts along the border amid heightening tensions. Israel evacuates communities near Lebanon border amid fears of escalation WWW.BBC.COM Israel accuses of Iran of ordering attacks by Hezbollah militants that killed two Israelis on Sunday. Quote Israel's military is evacuating 28 communities near the northern border with Lebanon because of escalating hostilities with Hezbollah militants. An Israeli civilian and a soldier were killed on Sunday, when anti-tank missiles fired from Lebanon hit one of the villages and a military post. The military said it struck Hezbollah military sites in response. It also accused the group's backer, Iran, of ordering attacks in an effort to distract Israel from the Gaza war. Iran meanwhile warned Israel of the risk of a regional conflict if it continued attacking the Palestinian territory in retaliation for the deadly assault by the militant group Hamas earlier this month. Hezbollah is Lebanon's most powerful military force and has long-range rockets at its disposal that could strike deep into Israeli territory. It fought a month-long war with Israel in 2006. During a visit to a community co-ordination centre in the northern town of Shlomi on Monday, Israeli government minister Benny Gantz was asked by the BBC whether he thought there would be another war with Hezbollah. "I hope for them not, but we do all the preparations," he replied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Gaza aid stuck as Egypt says Israel not cooperating | Reuters WWW.REUTERS.COM Egypt said on Monday that Israel was not cooperating with delivery of aid into Gaza and evacuations of foreign passport holders via the only entry it does not wholly control, leaving hundreds of tonnes of supplies stuck. Quote Egypt said on Monday that Israel was not cooperating with delivery of aid into Gaza and evacuations of foreign passport holders via the only entry it does not wholly control, leaving hundreds of tonnes of supplies stuck. Cairo says the Rafah crossing, a potentially vital opening for desperately-needed supplies into the Israeli-besieged Palestinian enclave, is not officially closed but was made inoperable due to Israeli air strikes on the Gaza side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Biden will arrive in Israel on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Biden will arrive in Israel on Wednesday. So Israel isn't going to go in until Thursday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 US Navy Bataan Amphibious Ready Group with embarked 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit is moving from the Gulf to the link up with the Ford and Ike Strike Groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I thought the 26th was already on station? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, TUFKAK said: I thought the 26th was already on station? They were in Kuwait last week. This could also be viewed as getting those ships out of 5th Fleet in case Iran wants to take a shot at a capital ship in the Gulf. Marine Corps Expeditionary Unit En Route to Waters Off Israel, Defense Official Says WWW.MILITARY.COM The 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, or MEU, is capable of conducting amphibious operations and crisis response, among other missions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 This AP report is a very comprehensive update of the most recent developments across the conflict zone: Israel bombs Gaza region where civilians were told to seek refuge, as mediators try to unlock aid APNEWS.COM Israel has bombed areas of southern Gaza where it had told Palestinians to flee to ahead of an expected invasion, killing dozens of people. Quote Israel bombed areas of southern Gaza where it had told Palestinians to flee to ahead of an expected ground invasion, killing dozens of people on Tuesday in attacks it says are targeted at Hamas militants that rule the besieged territory. With no water, fuel or food being delivered to Gaza since Hamas’ brutal attack on Israel last week, mediators struggled to break a deadlock over delivering supplies to increasingly desperate civilians, aid groups and hospitals. U.S. President Joe Biden prepared to head to the region as he and other world leaders tried to prevent the war from sparking a broader regional conflict. Violence flared Tuesday along Israel’s border with Lebanon, where Iranian-backed Hezbollah militants operate. In Gaza, dozens of injured were rushed to hospitals after heavy attacks outside the southern cities of Rafah and Khan Younis, residents reported. Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official and former health minister, reported 27 people were killed in Rafah and 30 in Khan Younis. Quote An Associated Press reporter saw around 50 bodies brought to Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis. Family members came to claim the bodies, wrapped in white bedsheets, some soaked in blood. An airstrike in Deir al Balah reduced a house to rubble, killing nine members of the family living there. Three members of another family that had evacuated from Gaza City were killed in a neighboring home. The dead included one man and 11 women and children. Witnesses said there was no warning before the strike. Quote A strike in the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza killed a top Hamas commander, Ayman Nofal, the group’s military wing said — the most high-profile militant known to have been killed so far in the war. Nofal was in charge of Hamas militant activities in the central Gaza Strip and was associated with the creation of the group’s “joint operations” room that coordinated between Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other militants in the territory. The U.N. human rights office decried “appalling reports” that civilians who were trying to flee to southern Gaza were killed by a military strike. Spokeswoman Ravina Shamdasani urged Israeli forces to avoid “aerial bombardments, indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks” and to “take precautions to avoid – and in any case, to minimize – loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.” Quote Israeli strikes on Gaza have killed at least 2,778 people and wounded 9,700, according to the Gaza Health Ministry. Nearly two-thirds of those killed were children, a ministry official said. Another 1,200 people across Gaza are believed to be buried under the rubble, alive or dead, health authorities said. Emergency teams struggled to rescue people while cut off from the internet and mobile networks, running out of fuel and exposed to unceasing airstrikes. On Monday Israeli warplanes struck the headquarters of the Civil Defense in Gaza City, killing seven paramedics. Another 16 medics and doctors have been killed on the job, Gaza officials said. Quote More than 1 million Palestinians have fled their homes — roughly half of Gaza’s population — and 60% are now in the approximately 14-kilometer (8-mile) long area south of the evacuation zone, the U.N. said. Aid workers warned that the territory was near complete collapse. Hospitals were on the verge of losing electricity, threatening the lives of thousands of patients, and hundreds of thousands of people searched for bread and water. The U.N. agency for Palestinians said more than 400,000 displaced people are crowded into schools and other facilities in the south. The agency said it has only 1 liter of water a day for each of its staff members trapped in the territory. Israel opened a water line into the south for three hours that benefitted only 14 percent of Gaza’s population, the U.N. said. Quote At the Rafah crossing, Gaza’s only connection to Egypt, truckloads of aid were waiting to enter. The World Food Program said that it had more than 300 tons of food waiting to cross into Gaza. Civilians with foreign citizenship — many of them Palestinians with dual nationalities — also waited in Rafah, desperate to get out. “We come to the border crossing hoping that it will open, but so far there is no information,” said Jameel Abdullah, a Swedish citizen. An agreement to open the border appeared to have been reached Monday, but Israel denied reports of a cease-fire in Rafah, which would be a precondition. On Tuesday morning, gates were still closed. An Egyptian official said Tuesday that Egypt and Israel agreed that the aid convoys at the border would travel into Israel for inspection at the Kerem Shalom crossing between Gaza and Israel. The aid would then be allowed into Gaza. A brief humanitarian cease-fire would take place and foreign nationals would be allowed to exit Gaza via Rafah, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not allowed to speak with the media. Officials for Hamas and Israel cast doubt on an immediate opening, saying they were unaware of an agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Biden didn't make Israeli-Palestinian talks a priority. Arab leaders say region now paying the price APNEWS.COM The explosion of Israeli-Palestinian violence has Arab leaders faulting a Biden administration policy that moved away from big U.S. pushes for a broad Israeli-Palestinian peace deal. Quote From its first months in office, the Biden administration made a distinctive decision on its Middle East policy: It would deprioritize a half-century of high-profile efforts by past U.S. presidents, particularly Democratic ones, to broker a broad and lasting peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians. Since Richard Nixon, successive U.S. administrations have tried their hands at Camp David summits, shuttle diplomacy and other big-picture tries at coaxing Israeli and Palestinian leaders into talks to settle the disputes that underlie 75 years of Middle East tensions. More than other recent presidents, Joe Biden notably has not. Instead, administration officials early on sketched out what they called Biden’s policy of quiet diplomacy. They advocated for more modest improvements in Palestinian freedoms and living conditions under Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s hardline government, which has encouraged settlement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and which includes coalition partners that oppose the U.S.-backed two-state solution. The less-ambitious approach fit with Biden’s determination to pivot his foreign-policy focus from Middle East hotspots to China. Quote In Cairo this weekend, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi was one of a succession of Arab leaders to warn Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who is scrambling through Middle East capitals to try to contain the conflict, that the Israel-Gaza war threatens the stability of the entire Middle East. Biden is likely to hear the same as he meets with leaders of Jordan, Egypt and the Palestinian Authority in Jordan on Wednesday, after he travels to Israel. Sissi, who fears the Israeli military offensive will push Gaza’s 2.3 million people across the border into Egypt, cast blame on the near-disappearance of any international pressure on Netanyahu’s government and Palestinians to return to negotiations. Sissi cited “a buildup of outrage and hatred for more than 40 years” and the lack of any “horizon to solve the Palestinian cause; one that gives hope to the Palestinians” for a state with a capital in East Jerusalem. Saudi Arabia, meanwhile, pointed to Saudis’ “repeated warnings of the danger of the explosion.” Arab leaders “are very aware this is going to keep blowing up. And they might ride it out this time, they might ride it out next time, as they have in the past,” said Yezid Sayigh, a senior fellow at the Malcolm H. Kerr Carnegie Middle East Center in Beirut, Lebanon. “But it’s not actually a comfortable position for them to be endlessly living in,” with endless cycles of Israeli and Palestinian wars that threaten the region’s peace and economies, said Sayigh, who accused the U.S. of encouraging Netanyahu to think there was no need to address Palestinian concerns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 King Abdullah on Gaza: 'No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt' | Reuters WWW.REUTERS.COM Jordan's King Abdullah on Tuesday warned against trying to push Palestinian refugees into Egypt or Jordan, adding that the humanitarian situation must to be dealt with inside Gaza and the West Bank. Quote Jordan's King Abdullah on Tuesday warned against trying to push Palestinian refugees into Egypt or Jordan, adding that the humanitarian situation must to be dealt with inside Gaza and the West Bank. "That is a red line, because I think that is the plan by certain of the usual suspects to try and create de facto issues on the ground. No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt," King Abdullah said at a news conference following a meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz in Berlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 6:13 PM, Jason said: Chicago area landlord accused of killing boy, 6, stabbing woman because they were Muslim WWW.CBSNEWS.COM Joseph Czuba has been charged with one count each of first-degree murder, attempted murder, and aggravated battery, and two counts of hate crime. Wadea al-Fayoume: Last words of knifed US Muslim boy were 'Mom, I'm fine' WWW.BBC.COM Wadea al-Fayoume was laid to rest in a Chicago suburb as the family's landlord was charged with murder. Quote The last words of a six-year-old Muslim boy stabbed to death in a suspected hate crime over the weekend were "Mom, I'm fine", his uncle said as hundreds gathered at the child's funeral. On Monday, the Mosque Foundation in the Chicago suburb of Bridgeview was overflowing, with some paying their respects on the pavement outside. Police say Wadea al-Fayoume was attacked because he was Muslim. His funeral was held as the family's landlord appeared in court charged with the boy's murder. The 71-year-old suspect was allegedly upset about the Israel-Hamas war. Mourners came from all over the area, some from much farther away, to express their grief and anger over the killing. Wadea's mother, 32-year-old Hanaan Shahin, was seriously injured in the attack and was unable to attend her son's funeral as she is recovering in hospital. "I'm shocked but I'm not surprised," said Sadia Nawab, a mother-of-three who lives near the mosque. "We're worried about our children, and more worried about the powerless kids around the world that are in Palestine now, that are in Gaza." 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Biden will be meeting with King Abdullah of Jordan, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Amman, Jordan after meeting with Netanyahu in Tel Aviv. Based on the AP story above, I imagine that he's going to get an absolute earful from the Arab leaders for his administration's "benign neglect" of the situation until recent events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Based on the AP story above, I imagine that he's going to get an absolute earful from the Arab leaders for his administration's "benign neglect" of the situation until recent events. spidermanpointing.gif 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 British teen missing in Hamas attack on Israel confirmed dead, family say WWW.BBC.COM Yahel, who went missing with sister Noiya, was killed in the assault on Israel, her family have said. Quote A British teenager who went missing after Hamas's attack on southern Israel was murdered, her family have told BBC News. Yahel, 13, disappeared after militants attacked Kibbutz Be'eri and killed her British-born mother Lianne. Family members have now confirmed to BBC News that Yahel was also killed. Her sister Noiya, 16, and Israeli father Eli are still missing. Yahel's family said she was "full of adventure and mischief". In a statement to BBC News, they said: "Beautiful Yahel. A bundle of unbridled energy and joy, with a cheekiness that you could not help but smile at and a brain which was sharp as a tack. "Full of adventure and mischief, we will forever miss her, but are grateful for the light she brought into our lives in the too short time she was with us." Relatives based in the UK said the family visited at least once a year, and spoke of the "joy on [the girls'] faces as they ripped open gifts". On Monday, Lianne's British family said she was "a beloved daughter, sister, mother, aunt and friend who enriched the lives of all those lucky enough to have known and loved her". Lianne, 48, first moved to Israel as a volunteer on a kibbutz when she was 19, before relocating there permanently. "She lived a beautiful life and will be sorely missed by the heartbroken family and friends she leaves behind," her family added. The family has not released the girls' surname. Forensic teams still working to identify bodies 10 days after Hamas massacres | Israel-Hamas war | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Forensic anthropologists say many of the 350 human remains they are examining may never be identified Quote On a table, a jumble of bones and fragments are laid out carefully, some grey, others charred black. A skeleton hangs at the side of the room for reference. Three forensic anthropologists peer over them with the intent focus of professionals trying to solve the most tragic of puzzles. Their job is to identify some of the most badly damaged remains of victims of the Hamas massacres of 7 October. The scale of the murder means that more than a week on, over 350 bodies of suspected civilian victims still have not been identified, said Dr Chen Kugel, the director of Israel’s national institute of forensic medicine. There are bodies burned beyond recognition and others that decayed badly before they were found. Thousands of people are desperately waiting for news of loved ones and for remains they can bury, a particularly urgent concern as Jewish tradition requires a rapid burial, and formal mourning can begin only after the funeral. Kugel, speaking nine days after the attacks, fears that the rate at which they can give families answers may slow as they reach the most damaged bodies, and some victims may never be identified. “We did a lot of work in the past nine days … Now we are at a peak, the rate of identification will decline as we are reaching the hard cases,” he said. “I’m afraid there will be some [victims] that we will never find, and we will never be able to identify … People have to be prepared for this.” The scale of the work is overwhelming, with dozens of bodies – or in some cases collections of human remains so damaged they are barely recognisable – arriving at the forensic institute on Monday in a refrigerated truck. As Gaza death toll rises, bodies are stored in ice cream trucks | Reuters WWW.REUTERS.COM Health officials in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip have resorted to storing the bodies of Palestinians killed by Israeli air strikes in ice cream freezer trucks because moving them to hospitals is too risky and cemeteries are short of space. Quote Health officials in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip have resorted to storing the bodies of Palestinians killed by Israeli air strikes in ice cream freezer trucks because moving them to hospitals is too risky and cemeteries are short of space. Israel has unleashed the fiercest bombardment on the Gaza Strip to hit back at the Palestinian militant group Hamas after it carried out the deadliest attack on Israel for decades. “The hospital morgue can only take 10 bodies, so we have brought in ice cream freezers from the ice cream factories in order to store the huge numbers of martyrs,” said Dr. Yasser Ali of the Shuhada Al-Aqsa hospital in Deir Al-Balah. The freezer trucks, whose sides still show advertising images of smiling children enjoying ice cream cones, are normally used to make deliveries to supermarkets. Now they are makeshift morgues for victims of the devastating war between Hamas and the Israeli army. Quote “Even with these freezers, the number (of the dead) exceeds the capacity of this main morgue of the hospital, and alternative ones, and between 20 and 30 bodies are being kept in tents too,” said Ali, as he opened the doors of the freezers to show the white-shrouded bodies inside. “The Gaza Strip is in crisis and if the war continues in this way we will not be able to bury the dead. The cemeteries are already full and we need new ones to bury the dead,” Ali said. In Gaza City too, authorities were preparing mass graves, said the head of the Government Media Office, Salama Marouf. “In light of the large number of martyrs inside the morgues of Al-Shifa Hospital, whose relatives did not arrive to bury them, signs of change began to appear on the bodies," he said. "And in light of the continued arrival of martyrs in their dozens as a result of the occupation’s massacres, a mass grave has been prepared to bury approximately 100 martyrs in the emergency cemetery.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Fox is ALL IN on turning this into a giant culture war. Anyone who isn't 100% in favor of genocide of Palestinians is an anti-semeitc deranged weirdo. They are pushing all of their chips in. The comment sections are next level INSANE. All reason, all nuance all everything is just to the window. Their page is 75% deranged culture war BULLSHIT with all nuance and reason tossed aside for inflammatory rhetoric and half truths and BLATANT NAKED DISGUSTING MANIPULATION. They won't be happy until there is blood on the street. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, ort said: Fox is ALL IN on turning this into a giant culture war. Anyone who isn't 100% in favor of genocide of Palestinians is an anti-semeitc deranged weirdo. They are pushing all of their chips in. The comment sections are next level INSANE. All reason, all nuance all everything is just to the window. Their page is 75% deranged culture war BULLSHIT with all nuance and reason tossed aside for inflammatory rhetoric and half truths and BLATANT NAKED DISGUSTING MANIPULATION. They won't be happy until there is blood on the street. Consciously or subconsciously, many of these people are hoping for an "end of times" scenario to play out in Israel. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Biden didn't make Israeli-Palestinian talks a priority. Arab leaders say region now paying the price APNEWS.COM The explosion of Israeli-Palestinian violence has Arab leaders faulting a Biden administration policy that moved away from big U.S. pushes for a broad Israeli-Palestinian peace deal. oh they can fuck off 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: This AP report is a very comprehensive update of the most recent developments across the conflict zone: Israel bombs Gaza region where civilians were told to seek refuge, as mediators try to unlock aid APNEWS.COM Israel has bombed areas of southern Gaza where it had told Palestinians to flee to ahead of an expected invasion, killing dozens of people. Israel doesn’t care if they look like villains either it seems. I guess they just want them all dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Weird aside, but when I first typed in “Israel” my phone autocorrected to “mistake”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Jesus Christ Almighty. Hundreds killed in Israeli airstrike on Gaza City hospital, Health Ministry says APNEWS.COM The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike. Quote The Gaza Health Ministry said an Israeli airstrike Tuesday hit a Gaza City hospital packed with wounded and other Palestinians seeking shelter, killing hundreds. If confirmed, the attack would be by far the deadliest Israeli airstrike in five wars fought since 2008. Photos from al-Ahli Hospital showed fire engulfing the hospital halls, shattered glass and body parts scattered across the area. The ministry said at least 500 people had been killed. Several hospitals in Gaza City have become refuges for hundreds of people, hoping they would be spared bombardment after Israel ordered all residents of the city and surrounding areas to evacuate to the southern Gaza Strip. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 The hospital was operated by the Anglican Diocese of Jerusalem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Absolutely unconscionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Interesting that the fake news crowd eats up western media reporting of how awesome Isreal is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 How credible is the Gaza Health Ministry? I've noticed a lot of media articles are relying on them for stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Massdriver said: How credible is the Gaza Health Ministry? I've noticed a lot of media articles are relying on them for stats. I really have no idea, but the reality is that a crowded hospital was struck by what appears to be a relatively high-yield munition and the suspects in the area who could conceivable fire that munition are domewhat few in number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 A pro-Israel source claims that a Hamas rocket launch misfired and hit the hospital. While that is a possibility, the degree of damage being described simply exceeds the explosive yield of the warheads on the rockets Hamas typically fires into Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I cannot begin to express how I feel. God damn Israel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Let’s wait for further information before just accepting Hamas at their word. Don’t make my mistake with believing unverified news. If true i suspect this would be that human element I was referencing before, humans feel emotions, experience life and humans pull triggers. If from the IDF I find it far more likely this was the actions of an individual war fighter as opposed to “Israeli” actions. If not every Palestinian is Hamas and therefore should be held to that standard not every Israeli is the IDF. I’ve seen red before, it’s hard to fully express what that’s like and that was just over a friend, I can fully believe someone got bad news held it in until given an opportunity to lash out. This is moving into the realm of complete apathy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, TUFKAK said: Let’s wait for further information before just accepting Hamas at their word. Don’t make my mistake with believing unverified news. If true i suspect this would be that human element I was referencing before, humans feel emotions, experience life and humans pull triggers. If from the IDF I find it far more likely this was the actions of an individual war fighter as opposed to “Israeli” actions. If not every Palestinian is Hamas and therefore should be held to that standard not every Israeli is the IDF. I’ve seen red before, it’s hard to fully express what that’s like and that was just over a friend, I can fully believe someone got bad news held it in until given an opportunity to lash out. This is moving into the realm of complete apathy. Hamas was keeping Palestinians from evacuating so yeah I don't trust a word they say on the Palestinian "Official" (Hamas) side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 An IDF spokesman told CNN this weekend: "I'm sure there were innocent Germans too." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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