Россия invades Україна | UPDATE (14 May 2024) - Russia launches new invasion from the north into Kharkiv, soon to launch second corridor into Sumy. Situation is dire

[skillzdadirecta]

8 hours ago, Jason said:

 

For once I actually agree with Cruz. It was incredibly irresponsible of Graham to say that publicly.  He's not some guy I'm a barbershop. He's a sitting US Senator. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

NATO, Finland, and Sweden have agreed to expanded cooperation.

 

Finland and Sweden will participate in all NATO meetings and consultations.

[CitizenVectron]

Microsoft suspends new sales in Russia - Microsoft On the Issues

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We are announcing today that we will suspend all new sales of Microsoft products and services in Russia. In addition, we are coordinating closely with the US, the EU and the UK, and we are stopping many aspects of our business in Russia in compliance with governmental sanction decisions.

 

[CitizenVectron]

Ukraine apparently did manage air strikes on the Russian convoy north of Kyiv, forcing the entire thing to a halt (but it was already likely stalled due to logistics disasters):

 

 

[Comet]

Russia's second biggest oil company calls for an end to Putin's war

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Russia's second largest oil company has broken ranks with President Vladimir Putin.

 

[CitizenVectron]

Obviously Putin appears to be in the grip of a tsarist fever dream, but realistically what could we expect him to accept as an alternative to total control of Ukraine if the pressure was enough from within Russia? Control of Crimea, Donbas, and the coastal link between?

 

Here is Russia's current progress as of Day 8/9:

 

 

Something like this?

 

 

And if he somehow would accept that as a victory domestically, would Ukraine accept it?

[mclumber1]

If Russia were allowed to keep that land, despite "losing" the war, they would need to give something (probably quite a bit of something) to Ukraine in exchange - either reparations or land within Russia of equal or greater size. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said:

Obviously Putin appears to be in the grip of a tsarist fever dream, but realistically what could we expect him to accept as an alternative to total control of Ukraine if the pressure was enough from within Russia? Control of Crimea, Donbas, and the coastal link between?

 

Here is Russia's current progress as of Day 8/9:

 

 

Something like this?

 

 

And if he somehow would accept that as a victory domestically, would Ukraine accept it?

 

 

That is exactly what a "realistic" outcome looks like.

 

Of course, Ukraine will never "accept" it, but what other choice do they also realistically have?

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Just now, mclumber1 said:

If Russia were allowed to keep that land, despite "losing" the war, they would need to give something (probably quite a bit of something) to Ukraine in exchange - either reparations or land within Russia of equal or greater size. 

 

 

That is simply NOT going to happen in any way, shape, or form.

[LazyPiranha]

Also seems dubious that Ukraine would just cede 2/3 of their coastline, but what do I know.

[BuckFly]

1 minute ago, mclumber1 said:

If Russia were allowed to keep that land, despite "losing" the war, they would need to give something (probably quite a bit of something) to Ukraine in exchange - either reparations or land within Russia of equal or greater size. 

 

 

Very respectfully, mclumber, like they did with Crimea?

 

Yes, the end result there being that no one did anything and just allowed it to happen, which may turn out to be very different in this instance.

 

...but while he continues to press forward, while the convoy keeps rolling, while major cities are in jeopardy of falling the world just...

 

...

[mclumber1]

3 minutes ago, BuckFly said:

 

 

Very respectfully, mclumber, like they did with Crimea?

 

Yes, the end result there being that no one did anything and just allowed it to happen, which may turn out to be very different in this instance.

 

...but while he continues to press forward, while the convoy keeps rolling, while major cities are in jeopardy of falling the world just...

 

...

 

Crimea was relatively bloodless, and the population there was either apathetic or welcoming of the annexation.  What Russia is doing in greater Ukraine is the polar opposite of what happened in Crimea. 

[BuckFly]

Just now, mclumber1 said:

 

Crimea was relatively bloodless, and the population there was either apathetic or welcoming of the annexation.  What Russia is doing in greater Ukraine is the polar opposite of what happened in Crimea. 

 

 

I do hope, mclumber.

 

Still.

 

I do hope. 

[CitizenVectron]

20 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 

That is exactly what a "realistic" outcome looks like.

 

Of course, Ukraine will never "accept" it, but what other choice do they also realistically have?

 

And (unfortunately for Ukraine), I think the US/EU will gladly trade that outcome for expanding NATO/EU into more of eastern and northern Europe. So the question is: if Russia takes that highlighted land and the west grudgingly accepts, do you think Ukraine (with new border) has a chance at still entering the EU, etc? 

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

I do think that linking Donbas to crimea is best case but I do think he wants to link to that part of Moldova and either split Ukraine or landlock it (with probably a preference for the latter) to get there

[CitizenVectron]

Allegedly the Ukrainians have captured (and destroyed) the bridge behind the Russian column north of Kyiv.

 

 

Honestly the best hope for Ukraine in that theatre is to starve out the Russian column and force a mass surrender.

[CitizenVectron]

Russia appears to have alienated the pro-Russian bloc in Ukraine's parliament. Who would have guessed it after indiscriminately shelling the most Russian areas of Ukraine?

 

 

[SuperSpreader]

1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said:

Ukraine apparently did manage air strikes on the Russian convoy north of Kyiv, forcing the entire thing to a halt (but it was already likely stalled due to logistics disasters):

 

 

To me that big line seems like a distraction. Similar how wooden airplanes were used in WW2 to confuse enemies. 

[SuperSpreader]

56 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 

That is simply NOT going to happen in any way, shape, or form.

 

Give them Western Belarus 

[brucoe]

3 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said:

To me that big line seems like a distraction. Similar how wooden airplanes were used in WW2 to confuse enemies. 

And won't you be surprised when Russia invades Kyiv with wooden airplanes?

[SuperSpreader]

2 minutes ago, brucoe said:

And won't you be surprised when Russia invades Kyiv with wooden airplanes?

 

I mean obviously you -have- to address it, but it seems like a psychological distraction first, utility second. 

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Comet said:

Russia's second biggest oil company calls for an end to Putin's war

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Russia's second largest oil company has broken ranks with President Vladimir Putin.

 

 

Newark Suspends Franchise-Owned Lukoil Gas Stations Licenses Due to Russian Invasion

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New Jersey’s largest city unanimously passed a resolution Wednesday to suspend the business license of local Lukoil gas stations — an action prompted by Russia’s invasion of...

 

[CitizenVectron]

Here's a gif of the war so far (over 8 days). Remarkably little progress in the last few days, except for a few small areas:

 

[CitizenVectron]

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

What...the...hell...?!?!?

 

 

[SuperSpreader]

2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

 

This is wild to me. 

[CitizenVectron]

2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

What...the...hell...?!?!?

 

 

 

That...seems not only imprudent of the fund, it also makes me suspicious of the decision-making that got them there. I'd wager a few rubles that somewhere along the way, someone on the fund's board/leadership had some "friendly" relations with a few Russians.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

6 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

 

I've honestly given up trying to wrap my head around this.

[CitizenVectron]

1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

I've honestly given up trying to wrap my head around this.

 

Stingers putting in work?

 

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

That...seems not only imprudent of the fund, it also makes me suspicious of the decision-making that got them there. I'd wager a few rubles that somewhere along the way, someone on the fund's board/leadership had some "friendly" relations with a few Russians.

 

Right - that absolutely stinks of something that while not necessarily illegal definitely should be investigated.

[CitizenVectron]

 

[CitizenVectron]

If Ukraine somehow holds out and retains 70-80% of their territory after the war, I have to imagine that they are effectively going to be made into a fortress by the EU/NATO, in terms of mobile weapons systems, anti-air defenses, etc.

[SuperSpreader]

 

 

[SuperSpreader]

2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

If Ukraine somehow holds out and retains 70-80% of their territory after the war, I have to imagine that they are effectively going to be made into a fortress by the EU/NATO, in terms of mobile weapons systems, anti-air defenses, etc.

 

It's gonna be like the bases I built when I fought against the Zerg invasion. We all remember, never forget. 

[CitizenVectron]

A new Ukrainian deli just opened in my city...5 days before the war started, selling products from Ukraine and Russia. This has resulted in their supply from Ukraine effectively stopping. Despite this, they took all their Russian product for sale and destroyed it. Major guts.