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1 hour ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

 

It's not about persuading them to not like her (they already didn't), it's about persuading them not to vote for her. Usually when your primary candidate loses you still vote for the party nominee because they are closer to your views than the other party's candidate. But if a few % can be convinced not to...then some states can be swung.

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8 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

It's not about persuading them to not like her (they already didn't), it's about persuading them not to vote for her. Usually when your primary candidate loses you still vote for the party nominee because they are closer to your views than the other party's candidate. But if a few % can be convinced not to...then some states can be swung.

 

I understand the (bullshit) liberal narrative surrounding the Russian Facebook ads but it’s nothing more than a scapegoat for Clinton’s embarrassing loss to the one of the dumbest candidates in US history.

 

Also, 15% of Clinton supporters voted for McCain and 12% of Sanders supporters voted for Trump.  Maybe we should be talking about 2008 Facebook ads

 

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/09/clinton-sanders-primary-new-book

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1 minute ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

I understand the (bullshit) liberal narrative surrounding the Russian Facebook ads but it’s nothing more than a scapegoat for Clinton’s embarrassing loss to the one of the dumbest candidates in US history.

 

Also, 15% of Clinton supporters voted for McCain and 12% of Sanders supporters voted for Trump.  Maybe we should be talking about 2008 Facebook ads

 

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/09/clinton-sanders-primary-new-book

 

Example of low information. You can't automatically assume 2008's Hillary primary base is the same as 2016's. She won West Virginia easily in the 2008 primaries.

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Just now, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

Absolute zinger.  You are so smart Mr Horse race politics 

 

Indeed I am, but it's not a zinger. What 2008 Hillary voters did is irrelevant since it's not the same base. Hillary won a bunch of deep south states in 2016. Obama easily carried them in 2008. Obama won in the upper midwest like Wisconsin but lost Michigan, whereas Hillary lost Michigan in 2016. She still carried Ohio and Pennsylvania but with a different composition of voters.

 

"Hillary voters in 2008 didn't vote Obama!" Cool, but where's the info that it's the same people?

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21 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

I understand the (bullshit) liberal narrative surrounding the Russian Facebook ads but it’s nothing more than a scapegoat for Clinton’s embarrassing loss to the one of the dumbest candidates in US history.

 

Also, 15% of Clinton supporters voted for McCain and 12% of Sanders supporters voted for Trump.  Maybe we should be talking about 2008 Facebook ads

 

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/09/clinton-sanders-primary-new-book

 

I don't understand what's so hard to understand the fact that it's possible for both "Hillary was a terrible candidate" and "Russia juiced the election" to be true. 

 

I mean, Hillary being a shitty candidate is why the Russians were able to succeed, most likely. A better candidate would not have been so vulnerable. 

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2 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

have liberals found a single person who claims the Russian ads changed his or her voting decision? that's a better place to start than claiming that ads that look like dasharez0ne posts led to Trump's victory

 

I know it's hard, but since you bring up 2008 Hillary voters a lot, perhaps it's best if you can find out how similar 2008 Hillary voters are to 2016 Hillary ones and which ones voted McCain in 2008 and how they voted in 2016. It'd help bolster your case instead of going for dem one-liners.

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8 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

have liberals found a single person who claims the Russian ads changed his or her voting decision? that's a better place to start than claiming that ads that look like dasharez0ne posts led to Trump's victory

 

Changing the Overton Window is a cultural effect, not a specific one, so any single person claiming that Russian voting affected their personal, specific decision is an asinine pursuit.

 

It's called marketing, advertising, and propoganda. For low information voters, just being ceaselessly bombarded by bullshit does make you start wanting to vote for the bullshit which is why such ads are insidious. Plus Hillary being a terrible candidate and Russia influenced the election can both be true at the same time, to different degrees of course. 

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1 minute ago, SaysWho? said:

 

I know it's hard, but since you bring up 2008 Hillary voters a lot, perhaps it's best if you can find out how similar 2008 Hillary voters are to 2016 Hillary ones and which ones voted McCain in 2008 and how they voted in 2016. It'd help bolster your case instead of going for dem one-liners.

 

so liberals haven't found one yet :shrug:

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1 minute ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

you are really hung up on that comment

 

You make it a lot, but you seem to be, again, a very low-information voter about the whole deal. It shouldn't be that hard to prove it, especially since you're demanding people find someone who remembers specific Russian ads from two years ago and remembers that it was the moment they were hardened to not vote.

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Just now, SaysWho? said:

 

You make it a lot, but you seem to be, again, a very low-information voter about the whole deal. It shouldn't be that hard to prove it, especially since you're demanding people find someone who remembers specific Russian ads from two years ago and remembers that it was the moment they were hardened to not vote.

 

whoa you're spitting hot fire today

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You won't find a single person who says they bought x product because of the ads for said product (unless it's the exceptionally rare case where the ad is explosively popular) but the ads do shape a person's perception of brand x. Same thing applies to political candidates.

 

It is literally the same thing as the NRA, MoveOn, Chamber of Commerce running ads, only with a foreign adversary who not just wants one side to win, but wants to sew chaos and disorder, and Who are no stranger to using race to meddle the only difference is the trump administration (at the highest levels at least) seems beholden to Russia and Republicans in general don't give a fuck because they got support from them, and winning is all that matters 

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  • Jason changed the title to ~*Official Relitigating 2016 Thread*~
3 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

Kind of hard to have an honest discussion with people who start with the assumption that Russians crappy ads had a meaningful impact on the election

 

No, the information we have over the years from hacking to misinformation signals it very well likely had an impact (the election was close and decided by a few thousand votes). That's different than starting with the assumption that it couldn't have had any impact because it affects your point-of-view.

 

7 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said:

 

got my ass

 

also, it doesn't matter if the 2008 Hillary supporters are the same or different from the 2016 Hillary supporters.  

 

lol wrong but okay

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  • Jason changed the title to ~*Official Relitigating 2016 Thread*~
3 minutes ago, Jason said:

@SaysWho?

Keep the new title and let him have this cesspool, and just use the new one. :p

 

Ha!

 

This thread's already got all the info, though. Make a new thread about relitigating and put the posts in there. Or make it, "guy from Make Love Not Warcraft masturbates about his posts," and leave redsox in there.

 

tbh, it's hard not to talk about the 2016 completely since the ongoing investigations have a lot of ties into Russians working with Trump in 2016.

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5 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

This thread's already got all the info, though. Make a new thread about relitigating and put the posts in there. Or make it, "guy from Make Love Not Warcraft masturbates about his posts," and leave redsox in there.

 

You’ve posted pictures of yourself wearing a suit with shoulder pads and doing hover hands.  Maybe you shouldn’t post things like this.

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