Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I can't believe it! It's almost as though winning the Iowa caucus is meaningless except for the resulting media narrative. Who knew? Other than FUCKING EVERYBODY?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Jose said: I can't believe it! It's almost as though winning the Iowa caucus is meaningless except for the resulting media narrative. Who knew? Other than FUCKING EVERYBODY?! Pete is not the confirmed winner, as there are numerous data issues as we've all discussed at length. Didn't stop CNN and other media outlets (not the AP) from calling Pete the winner though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 He outperformed the polls. He would have been hyped up regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just now, Jose said: He outperformed the polls. He would have been hyped up regardless. So did Warren but there's crickets on that front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just now, Jose said: He outperformed the polls. He would have been hyped up regardless. Still different from being called the winner, considering there's always a strong effect of people wanting to be able to say they voted for the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 The real winner is you and I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: So did Warren but there's crickets on that front By what, a couple points? Butti's jump was far more significant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 It doesn't matter. Unless Buttigieg can pull his minority numbers up, he's not a threat to Sanders since Buttigieg is pulling moderate votes away from an actual threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jose said: By what, a couple points? Butti's jump was far more significant Yeah, but the point is no one cares about outperforming the polls, but the collapse of Biden (which helped Booti!) Is the bigger story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: It doesn't matter. Unless Buttigieg can pull his minority numbers up, he's not a threat to Sanders since Buttigieg is pulling moderate votes away from an actual threat. Yeah, right now he's the 4th most likely still. If he wins NH though, shit gon' hit the fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 If Bernie gets the nom, anyone have thoughts on who he’ll pick for a VP? I think a woman is given, but don’t know if he can go progressive and double down. But he’s also pretty far left (in the party) so I’m not sure a moderate will be on board with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, osxmatt said: If Bernie gets the nom, anyone have thoughts on who he’ll pick for a VP? I think a woman is given, but don’t know if he can go progressive and double down. But he’s also pretty far left (in the party) so I’m not sure a moderate will be on board with him. We talk about her way too much, but man Abrams would be a pick I love. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I’m pretty sure Deval Patrick has got this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Is Bloomberg in this debate tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jose said: Is Bloomberg in this debate tonight? no, but might be in the next one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Bernie's fault So you're saying that when caucuses were discussed at the unity reform commission Bernie's people didn't insist on keeping them? Because that did happen. Saying the dnc has no control isn't exactly right either; the dnc doesn't have to accept results of a contest if that contest doesn't play by their rules. They've done it before. They did it several times in the 2008 primary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Jose said: I can't believe it! It's almost as though winning the Iowa caucus is meaningless except for the resulting media narrative. Who knew? Other than FUCKING EVERYBODY?! Bernie knew, that's why his team wanted to game the system so Bernie could declare victory even if he didn't win in the delegate count. It didn't work though and everyone who was preparing their "Bernie won Iowa" narrative appears to be running it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 10 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Has anyone talked about the fact that turnout in Iowa was actually pretty lackluster? I’d say that’s the biggest story coming out of this. That’s way more concerning than anything else. Low turnout will lose the election for the Dems no matter who the nominee is. "According to an entrance poll by the Washington Post, people aged 17 to 29 accounted for 24 percent of total Iowa Democratic caucus-goers in 2020. That’s up from 18 percent in 2016, and far exceeds the 12 percent of Republican attendees from that same age group from that same year. Combine that with the 21 percent of Democratic caucus-goers aged 30 to 44, and you’ll get a comprehensive view of both millennials and Generation Z, who comprise the largest bloc of potential voters that are becoming increasingly mobilized at the polls. In the 2018 midterm election, 36 percent of people aged 18 to 29 cast their ballots, a 16-percent increase from the 20 percent who voted in the 2014 midterm election." http://www.mtv.com/news/3155194/iowa-caucus-2020-young-voters/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 CNN realizes that Biden is toast so now they’re all in on Mayo Pete and clutching their pearls about how mean Sanders’ supporters are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 54 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Bernie knew, that's why his team wanted to game the system so Bernie could declare victory even if he didn't win in the delegate count. It didn't work though and everyone who was preparing their "Bernie won Iowa" narrative appears to be running it anyway. I'm going to need to borrow your tin foil hat so I can properly read this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Look, Anathema can be both pushing conspiracy theories and also posting on d1p at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarSolo Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: Republicans: “It’s anti-Semitic to criticize Israel.” Also Republicans: “Do we really want a rat faced Jew in charge of the nuclear arsenal?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, osxmatt said: If Bernie gets the nom, anyone have thoughts on who he’ll pick for a VP? I think a woman is given, but don’t know if he can go progressive and double down. But he’s also pretty far left (in the party) so I’m not sure a moderate will be on board with him. Sanders/Gabbard 2020 Campaign slogan: “Populism FTW” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Anathema- said: So you're saying that when caucuses were discussed at the unity reform commission Bernie's people didn't insist on keeping them? Because that did happen. Saying the dnc has no control isn't exactly right either; the dnc doesn't have to accept results of a contest if that contest doesn't play by their rules. They've done it before. They did it several times in the 2008 primary. Literally held a gun to Iowa's head told them to caucus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Literally held a gun to Iowa's head told them to caucus This seems like a pretty disingenuous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This seems like a pretty disingenuous post. You gonna centristsplain now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Anathema- said: So you're saying that when caucuses were discussed at the unity reform commission Bernie's people didn't insist on keeping them? Because that did happen. Saying the dnc has no control isn't exactly right either; the dnc doesn't have to accept results of a contest if that contest doesn't play by their rules. They've done it before. They did it several times in the 2008 primary. source where Bernie's people insisted on keeping caucuses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 No debate thread. Sad This one seems better than the other ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Will the real slim Vindman please stand up? Please stand up? Please stand up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Re: turnout 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Vindman you da man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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