Jason Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Oh God, yes. Tehran was more than happy to provide intelligence support when we first went in to Afghanistan in 2001 because they and the Taliban nearly came to blows on a number of occasions. Weird it's almost like Iran wants to like us but we keep shitting on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 CNN is reporting the Pentagon is considering sending in more troops to hold the airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 lulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: lulz Top 10 anime betrayals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 CNN- Embassy is evacuated. Any historical parallels for a fighting retreat via fixed wing aircraft from an urban airport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: lulz Hekmatyar is a warlord who has supported every side in Afghanistan's wars at one time or another. His forces fought the Afghan government and NATO forces when Karzai was in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 33 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: CNN- Embassy is evacuated. Any historical parallels for a fighting retreat via fixed wing aircraft from an urban airport? That's new for us I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 Should be sending a couple dozen more of them bad boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Congress needs to haul the heads of the intelligence agencies in front of the sub-committees because they have some explaining to do. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Like, how hard would it have been to get together anyone who worked for the NATO forces together, make a base at the airport, and just sit there until they could get everyone out? The Taliban wasn't going to attack if the US did that. But no. Instead, the US just abandons thousands of people, many of whom will be killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Congress needs to haul the heads of the intelligence agencies in front of the sub-committees because they have some explaining to do. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Like, how hard would it have been to get together anyone who worked for the NATO forces together, make a base at the airport, and just sit there until they could get everyone out? The Taliban wasn't going to attack if the US did that. But no. Instead, the US just abandons thousands of people, many of whom will be killed. If we had kept Bagram, easy. But for some reason we decided to evacuate via an airport in a dense urban city. Every aircraft on the tarmac is RPG bait. Black Hawk Down could get a sequel tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaladinSolo Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 37 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: If we had kept Bagram, easy. But for some reason we decided to evacuate via an airport in a dense urban city. Every aircraft on the tarmac is RPG bait. Black Hawk Down could get a sequel tonight. Seems their best move is to just wait till the US pulls everyone they want out and leaves, why poke the bear and risk bringing an avalanche of shit on yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: Seems their best move is to just wait till the US pulls everyone they want out and leaves, why poke the bear and risk bringing an avalanche of shit on yourself. Exactly. They've won. There's no reason for them to be rash as they've played the long game magnificently to this point and they're not stupid. Unlike apparently the intelligence agencies of the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: Seems their best move is to just wait till the US pulls everyone they want out and leaves, why poke the bear and risk bringing an avalanche of shit on yourself. Because the bear can't change the overall outcome and video of a few burning C-17s might be worth the body count for the Taliban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Jwheel86 said: Because the bear can't change the overall outcome and video of a few burning C-17s might be worth the body count for the Taliban. No, it absolutely isn't worth it for them, not when they will be seeking international recognition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: No, it absolutely isn't worth it for them, not when they will be seeking international recognition. And Chinese investment dollars. Not that they'd be concerned or care about the actual attack, but such an attack would probably push back timelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: No, it absolutely isn't worth it for them, not when they will be seeking international recognition. Strategically China also benefits from those images, breaks the US invisibility narrative which helps them in the SCS. Even if you're right the close proximity of US and Taliban Forces to each other is putting a lot of faith in average Taliban fighter not to get trigger happy, or our troops to not get jumpy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Politically, this is significant. Biden effectively just lost the Democrats seats in the House and Senate. He lost us the 2024 General Election. The right will be talking about this moment nonstop for the next 20+ years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Meanwhile.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Meanwhile.... Stuff like this is what makes me think the intel community was probably telling Biden things would be ok for awhile without us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 "Move back" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Reputator said: Politically, this is significant. Biden effectively just lost the Democrats seats in the House and Senate. He lost us the 2024 General Election. The right will be talking about this moment nonstop for the next 20+ years. I think you're wildly overestimating the extent to which Americans care about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Reputator said: Biden effectively just lost the Democrats seats in the House and Senate. Oh, that was happening anyway even without this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jason said: I think you're wildly overestimating the extent to which Americans care about this. No, you're underestimating what a bitchstorm the right will make about this. This is an issue they don't even have to make up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jason said: I think you're wildly overestimating the extent to which Americans care about this. Foreign policy rarely -- if ever -- factors into domestic electoral politics, and you can probably triple that sentiment for this debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Reputator said: No, you're underestimating what a bitchstorm the right will make about this. This is an issue they don't even have to make up. It won't move the needle politically relative to other issues that Biden could potentially drop or has dropped the ball on. Foreign policy simply doesn't resonate electorally one way or another, no matter how much either party screams about it at the top of their lungs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 This is making Saigon look like a well-oiled machine in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 The deletion of the Afghan Air Force has begun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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