Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Sony to release a 'Pro' version of the PlayStation 5 this year after cutting outlook, analysts say WWW.CNBC.COM Analysts told CNBC they expect Sony to launch the PlayStation 5 Pro this year which would offer new hardware for the release of Grand Theft Auto VI in 2025. Quote Sony is likely to release a refreshed version of the PlayStation 5 this year, analysts told CNBC, after the company cut its forecast for sales of its flagship console. The move would be designed to boost interest in the PlayStation 5 and offer a souped-up piece of hardware ready for release of Grand Theft Auto VI in 2025, one of this decade’s most hotly anticipated games, the analysts said. Sony was not immediately available for comment when contacted by CNBC. Quote “There seems to be a broad consensus in the game industry that Sony is indeed preparing a launch of a PS5 Pro in the second half of 2024,” Serkan Toto, CEO of Tokyo-based games consultancy Kantan Games, told CNBC. “And Sony will want to make sure to have a great piece of hardware ready when GTA VI hits in 2025, a launch that will be a shot in the arm for the entire gaming industry.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 This would contextualize Sony’s recent latter stage of life comment regarding PS5. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Surprised they would release a Pro without a tentpole franchise to launch alongside it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Just now, Brian said: Surprised they would release a Pro without a tentpole franchise to launch alongside it. Well they kinda are and I called this a while back. The PS5 Pro will coincide with GTA 6. Not exactly at release but it will be it's selling point. GTA 6 will release in March 2025. PS5 Pro will launch in November so just a few months off. Also, everyone should be prepared in just how stunning GTA 6 will be. The Pro will be needed to fully see its potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 As I’ve said before, they’ll price this thing something awful. The worst part is it might not even be worth that price. Sony made some big strides with AMD with the PS4 Pro, so much so that it ushered in the future of rendering in many ways. That’s likely not happening again with what NVIDIA has brought to the table. I was once apprehensive about buying a PS5, because I thought games would stress the spec too much once a Pro model arrived, and beforehand with RT and UE5. That’s already been a problem, especially with games relying on FSR2. I almost waited for this. But now, I feel I’d be crazy not to spend money on a $1k rig as opposed to a $600 or $700 AMD console. Keep the old PS5 for stutterstruggle games, get a Switch 2 for Nintendo, play everything else on PC. Including Sony’s stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 Just now, crispy4000 said: As I’ve said before, they’ll price this thing something awful. $649. Believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 50 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: $649. Believe. $800 let's fucking go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, best3444 said: Well they kinda are and I called this a while back. The PS5 Pro will coincide with GTA 6. Not exactly at release but it will be it's selling point. GTA 6 will release in March 2025. PS5 Pro will launch in November so just a few months off. Also, everyone should be prepared in just how stunning GTA 6 will be. The Pro will be needed to fully see its potential. I mean, I dunno if I'd consider a multiplat third-party game a "tentpole franchise." Better than launching with nothing, but I feel like GTA players would still buy it on the PS3 if it released there, let alone buy a premium console just to see 4k flipflops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxEvil AshxX Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Most of the tentpole PS5 games also have PS4 versions that look and play just fine. What exactly would this PS5 Pro be doing? Espcially when the industry seems to be scaling back a bit so that games don't take quite so long to make, or cost as much money. I think we're hitting a threshold with graphical quality being dictated not by the hardware, but by the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 There is a ton of opportunity for a better GPU to improve the experience on a PS5. Perhaps running Spider-Man 2 fidelity mode at 60fps vs. only 30? Or higher resolutions for the performance mode? Just putting in some of the graphical features from the PC version of other games would be easy for many devs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 49 minutes ago, XxEvil AshxX said: What exactly would this PS5 Pro be doing? 14 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: There is a ton of opportunity for a better GPU to improve the experience on a PS5. Perhaps running Spider-Man 2 fidelity mode at 60fps vs. only 30? Or higher resolutions for the performance mode? The Pro will clean up the mess with have with fidelity games running like dog shit which is worth me buying one for. Maybe not you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 54 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: There is a ton of opportunity for a better GPU to improve the experience on a PS5. Perhaps running Spider-Man 2 fidelity mode at 60fps vs. only 30? Or higher resolutions for the performance mode? Just putting in some of the graphical features from the PC version of other games would be easy for many devs. That’s a similar proposition to the PS4 pro, except the og model in the care struggled at times to maintain 1080p. It’d be a much smaller feeling jump than that for traditional rasterization. Unless you’re all about pushing above 60. (Which FSR3 may be helping with anyways) Meanwhile, you might as well buy a 40 series card if you care about anything RT related for the future. I’d love to be wrong about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 21 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: That’s a similar proposition to the PS4 pro, except the og model in the care struggled at times to maintain 1080p. It’d be a much smaller feeling jump than that for traditional rasterization. Unless you’re all about pushing above 60. (Which FSR3 may be helping with anyways) Meanwhile, you might as well buy a 40 or even 30 series card if you care about anything RT related for the future. I’d love to be wrong about that. I have a 4080 in my rig (and my son got a 4070Ti for Xmas), so you don't have to convince me about the advantages of PC gaming. I think there is tremendous value in RT and DLSS frame generation. It also comes at a much higher price than a PS5. Taking the present 30fps fidelity mode on PS5 and running it at 60fps sounds like a worthwhile jump for many people. Or potentially, just rendering games at a much higher resolution. I don't have a PS5 (first every Sony console I didn't buy on launch day.), so I don't follow it all that closely, but my sense is most games are running at a relatively low resolution. However, there is a group of people that are happy with a console experience. I would not be overly surprised if the PS5 Pro launched at the present PS5 price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShreddieMercury Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 People are going to be feeling the marginal returns like never before with this one. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 31 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I have a 4080 in my rig (and my son got a 4070Ti for Xmas), so you don't have to convince me about the advantages of PC gaming. I think there is tremendous value in RT and DLSS frame generation. It also comes at a much higher price than a PS5. Taking the present 30fps fidelity mode on PS5 and running it at 60fps sounds like a worthwhile jump for many peopleOr potentially, just rendering games at a much higher resolution. And the issue comes back to pricing and value proposition. PS4 Pro leveraged checkerboarding to punch above its weight class. What’s a PS5 Pro to do when any similar advantage is already present and popularized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 14 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: And the issue comes back to pricing and value proposition. PS4 Pro leveraged checkerboarding to punch above its weight class. What’s a PS5 Pro to do when any similar advantage is already present and popularized on PC? And when AMD is a few steps behind? Put in 60 GPU cores vs. 36 cores and run games with around twice the horsepower vs. what they are presently running at. Why does it have to be more than that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Where I can see a PS5 Pro having benefit would be in more RAM (UE5 says thanks!) and a larger storage solution(game size inflation is a steady march in one direction). Everything else will be nice, but not overly impactful, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 7 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: Where I can see a PS5 Pro having benefit would be in more RAM (UE5 says thanks!) and a larger storage solution(game size inflation is a steady march in one direction). Everything else will be nice, but not overly impactful, IMO. It will be worth it for me. I'll have money at the time of release to burn on it, too. With you owning a state of the art pc, will you even buy a PS5 Pro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 6 minutes ago, best3444 said: It will be worth it for me. I'll have money at the time of release to burn on it, too. With you owning a state of the art pc, will you even buy a PS5 Pro? I’m not getting a Pro. I much rather sink all my money in Switch 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, best3444 said: It will be worth it for me. I'll have money at the time of release to burn on it, too. With you owning a state of the art pc, will you even buy a PS5 Pro? Its very unlikely. Over the years, Sony exclusives have done less and less for me. ITs not that they aren't making quality games, its that the quality games they make are mostly not to my taste. Of all the exclusives that have come out on PS5, here is the list that made it worth it to have a PS5 for me: Demon's Souls remake (one of my favorite games of all time, absolutely validated my purchase) Ghost of Tsushima Horizon ZD 2 (bought but only played a few hours on PS5, have been waiting ever since to play on PC with very high frame rate and no blur) FF:R FF:R part 2 That's it. Everything else is not really for me, though I've tried. Also, fun fact, GTA series has never done anything for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 12 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: FF:R FF:R part 2 Didn't FF7:R already come to PC? I had thought the FF7:R part 2 trailers now had an "Not available on other formats at least until 5/29/24" disclaimer on them -- suggesting a possible release date for PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Didn't FF7:R already come to PC? I had thought the FF7:R part 2 trailers now had an "Not available on other formats at least until 5/29/24" disclaimer on them -- suggesting a possible release date for PC. Yup! IT took a year for the first part, and might take a year for the second part, but it too will make the journey to PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 47 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Put in 60 GPU cores vs. 36 cores and run games with around twice the horsepower vs. what they are presently running at. Why does it have to be more than that? Why did the PS4 Pro need checkerboarding? To punch above its weight. It needed it to make the value proposition more enticing. Same sort of deal here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 23 minutes ago, Biggie said: I’m not getting a Pro. I much rather sink all my money in Switch 2. I'm getting both. I want GTA 6 to run at 60fps. I want all my games to run at 60fps. If the pro doesn't offer that then I'm not sure why they would even release it lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 9 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Why did the PS4 Pro need checkerboarding? It didn't. But it was cool that it had it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Just now, AbsolutSurgen said: It didn't. But it was cool that it had it. It needed it for Sony to make good on a stopgap console that would keep people from migrating to PC mid-gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Well, I'll guess we'll find out what the PS5 pro is once it's announced, and we'll see how Sony's sales continue into 2025. I, personally, think they'll continue to be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Well, I'll guess we'll find out what the PS5 pro is once it's announced, and we'll see how Sony's sales continue into 2025. I, personally, think they'll continue to be fine. They’ll still sell some if it doesn’t do anything special. But it is going to be a harder sell if it’s basically a Pro Minus of a leap. I think a lot more people will just say they’ll just wait for next gen, with path tracing and such, than the last go around. Assuming Sony isn’t catching up to that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 50 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: But it is going to be a harder sell if it’s basically a Pro Minus of a leap. Wait, huh? Do you know something the rest of us don't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, best3444 said: Wait, huh? Do you know something the rest of us don't? No, I don't. Just that the obvious things to make a PS5 Pro exciting from a value standpoint are the things AMD is behind on. But who knows. Maybe Sony found a proprietary way to make frame gen resolving at 60fps not look and feel bad. That could do the trick to present a case like the PS4 Pro once did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 There was a rumor Sony had its own proprietary upscaling tech but even if it’s as good as dlss3 and 40fps to 80fps we are looking at that would be pretty huge especially for cpu limited stuff. Not that I expect that but you never know. If there is no frame gen at all which is also possible then there is no GTA6 60fps on console - since I expect that to be cpu limited. We will just have to see what’s on offer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 38 minutes ago, stepee said: There was a rumor Sony had its own proprietary upscaling tech but even if it’s as good as dlss3 and 40fps to 80fps we are looking at that would be pretty huge especially for cpu limited stuff. Not that I expect that but you never know. That would be fantastic, but it could still be throwing down with $400-450 NVIDIA GPUs that did the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Well, I think the three people deciding between a ps5 pro or a nvidia gpu will have some thinking to do then! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, stepee said: Well, I think the three people deciding between a ps5 pro or a nvidia gpu will have some thinking to do then! True. I would be in that category, but with Sony's games getting PC ports the landscape has changed. We'd need another chip shortage / crypto boom for me to be optimistic about getting another Playstation without exclusives. I suppose there's always trade-ins to reduce the cost, for however long Gamestop survives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 16 minutes ago, stepee said: Well, I think the three people deciding between a ps5 pro or a nvidia gpu will have some thinking to do then! I know you love new tech so are you getting a Pro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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