AbsolutSurgen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 14 hours ago, Spork3245 said: Looks like this was re-released and AMD cards were removed completely for the RT recommendations Yes. It shouldn't really be that surprising. If you want "Ultimate Ray Tracing", you're probably gonna need DLSS 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Where does the PS5 version fall under the specifications above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, best3444 said: Where does the PS5 version fall under the specifications above? I believe it would be "High", but I'm sure there will be a more concrete answer in about a week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I believe it would be "High", but I'm sure there will be a more concrete answer in about a week. Yikes. PC version on a 4080 will look ridiculous. I really need to get back into PC gaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 21 minutes ago, best3444 said: Where does the PS5 version fall under the specifications above? Judging by the specs listed for each and what the PS5 has, probably "recommended" with a step below "amazing" RT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, best3444 said: Yikes. PC version on a 4080 will look ridiculous. I really need to get back into PC gaming. I certainly hope so -- looking forward to finding out next week! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Judging by the specs listed for each and what the PS5 has, probably "recommended" with a step below "amazing" RT. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Spork3245 said: Judging by the specs listed for each and what the PS5 has, probably "recommended" with a step below "amazing" RT. The latter is definitely true going by Spiderman. But performance RT on PS5 (the only mode anyone should be using) still targets an upscaled-to 1440p, the same as Amazing RT in the spec sheet. Dynamic drops probably put it on average a bit lower than that. Also, the 1620p-1800p window that performance mode on PS5 hits at 60fps is above High. Granted, that's upscalled, and I'm sure PC is doing more in other regards with that config. @best3444 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: The latter is definitely true. But performance RT (the only mode anyone should be using on PS5) targets an upscaled-to 1440p, the same as Amazing RT in the spec sheet. Dynamic drops probably put it on average a bit lower than that. Also, the 1620p-1800p window that performance mode PS5 hits at 60fps punches above High. Though I'm sure PC is doing more in other regards with that config. The RT on PC has shadows and ambient occlusion which weren't on the PS5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: The RT on PC has shadows and ambient occlusion which weren't on the PS5. Yep, there's more going on with RT on PC. Console will likely be a step below Amazing RT with missing features. But targeting a dynamic 1440p60 is still a best case scenario for a console SKU with it. I'd expect the PS5 version to be preferable to the "Recommended" PC config as stated. Unless DLSS2 can reasonably take that PC build to 1800p60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, best3444 said: Where does the PS5 version fall under the specifications above? I would be it’s a mix of High and Mid settings since the PS5 was 4K/60 and all High on a 3060ti gets you 4K/30. I’m curious what the DF comparison and breakdown videos will show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: I would be it’s a mix of High and Mid settings since the PS5 was 4K/60 and all High on a 3060ti gets you 4K/30. I’m curious what the DF comparison and breakdown videos will show. Yea, I look forward to DF comparison vid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 56 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: The latter is definitely true going by Spiderman. But performance RT on PS5 (the only mode anyone should be using) still targets an upscaled-to 1440p, the same as Amazing RT in the spec sheet. Dynamic drops probably put it on average a bit lower than that. Also, the 1620p-1800p window that performance mode on PS5 hits at 60fps is above High. Granted, that's upscalled, and I'm sure PC is doing more in other regards with that config. @best3444 RT Performance on PS5 drops fidelity settings and not just resolution, IIRC. My post is based on the fact that PS5's GPU is about equivalent to a 5700XT or a 2070, then factor in the additional performance impact of RT + the fact that a 3070 is being listed for the "amazing RT" and how AMD GPUs are significantly worse at RT than nVidia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: RT Performance on PS5 drops fidelity settings and not just resolution, IIRC. My post is based on the fact that PS5's GPU is about equivalent to a 5700XT or a 2070, then factor in the additional performance impact of RT + the fact that a 3070 is being listed for the "amazing RT" and how AMD GPUs are significantly worse at RT than nVidia. Absolutely. According to DF, the fidelity mode has increased scene density (crowds, spaceships in backgrounds, etc.) and more strands of hair used on things like Lombax fur vs. the other two modes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Kinda sad I definitely won’t have my desktop issue settled in time but I should still be able to max it on my laptop at its native 1600p and should be a real show off for that thing, and I’m also really curious how it runs on the ROG Ally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, stepee said: Kinda sad I definitely won’t have my desktop issue settled in time but I should still be able to max it on my laptop at its native 1600p and should be a real show off for that thing, and I’m also really curious how it runs on the ROG Ally. How is the Zotac CS experience so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Spork3245 said: RT Performance on PS5 drops fidelity settings and not just resolution, IIRC. My post is based on the fact that PS5's GPU is about equivalent to a 5700XT or a 2070, then factor in the additional performance impact of RT + the fact that a 3070 is being listed for the "amazing RT" and how AMD GPUs are significantly worse at RT than nVidia. GPU equivalency and fidelity cuts don't get to the heart of the discrepancies here: Spider-Man Remastered runs at 1440p60 native on a 2060 S at PS5-equivalent RT settings. PS5 upscales to 1440p60 dynamic. So at 1440p with RT, if the optimizations are similar, we'd expect the difference between PS5 and 2060 S to be roughly the difference of Insomniac's upscaling technique. If the pattern held, we'd be seeing 2060 S as another console level benchmark with RT for Ratchet. Call it the missing "Good Raytracing" column. And it should theoretically hit 1440p native at console settings, given that Performance RT still targets 1440p upscalled on console. Instead, the chart reads that a vanilla 2060 is recommended for 1080p60 native at medium settings with no raytracing. There's something very screwy about that IMO. Could be DirectStorrage related. We'll see soon enough what's up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: How is the Zotac CS experience so far? Non existent; I’m going to test it on a other of in two days then contact :P I kinda want to head somewhere again soon so idk if I’ll even deal with it yet we will C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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best3444 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 I fired this up last night. Jesus Christ does it look stunning. I played in 40fps which is fantastic but my God does it look beautiful. You pc guys will be blown away with your fps, added detail, and much better raytracing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stepee Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Man this is really going to look sooooo nice on pc, I’m going to just play through all of it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Quote Ray-tracing on AMD GPUs is disabled at launch. We are working closely with AMD to enable support as soon as possible. https://support.insomniac.games/hc/en-us/articles/17812815585549-PC-performance-tuning 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: https://support.insomniac.games/hc/en-us/articles/17812815585549-PC-performance-tuning Im a little surprised since they’ve already optimized ray tracing for AMD on ps5, but I guess they are struggling to find a performance profile that won’t make people upset at them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, stepee said: Im a little surprised since they’ve already optimized ray tracing for AMD on ps5, but I guess they are struggling to find a performance profile that won’t make people upset at them That wasn’t via DX12, though, it was through Sony’s custom API. I’m guessing it’s not translating well here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: That wasn’t via DX12, though, it was through Sony’s custom API. I’m guessing it’s not translating well here. Good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, stepee said: Good point! I’ll go out on a limb and say that there was likely artifacts/crashing/stability issues and/or random performance drops during testing with AMD cards and that’s why they disabled it (and removed it from the spec sheet thing). TBH, good on them for disabling it until it’s working correctly and not shrugging on release day like most devs have been doing. Also, r/AMD is amazing right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: I’ll go out on a limb and say that there was likely artifacts/crashing/stability issues and/or random performance drops during testing with AMD cards and that’s why they disabled it (and removed it from the spec sheet thing). TBH, good on them for disabling it until it’s working correctly and not shrugging on release day like most devs have been doing. Also, r/AMD is amazing right now holy shit i bet that is some amazing reading right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 @Biggie do you own Ratchet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, stepee said: holy shit i bet that is some amazing reading right now They’re saying nvidia paid the devs to remove RT on AMD cards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 27 minutes ago, best3444 said: @Biggie do you own Ratchet? Nope. I only play good games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Just now, Biggie said: Nope. I only play good games. I think it's good but I tried a few different times to really dig deep into it and it just never hooked me. It's probably the best visuals on a console though and I'm perfectly fine buying it just to experience the eye candy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: They’re saying nvidia paid the devs to remove RT on AMD cards “AMD not engineering cards well enough to properly support ray tracing on pc is the exact same thing as AMD literally paying developers to not include dlss2/3!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stepee Posted July 26, 2023 Share Posted July 26, 2023 29 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: I normally hate videos but since I don’t need to worry about spoilers (i beat it) I may watch this later, seems like it would be an interesting look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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