Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: No way that the Syrian numbers are even close. That's all-but-certain, unfortunately. There's very little chance that we'll ever get an accurate sense of the scale of the situation in northern Syria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 My understanding from my friend is that they're the same ppl in this area of Turkey and N Syria. Basically the border is there but ppl don't neatly align to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: My understanding from my friend is that they're the same ppl in this area of Turkey and N Syria. Basically the border is there but ppl don't neatly align to it. Borders in the Middle-East not aligning with what constitutes an ethnic/cultural population? What a shock! Another win for the British and French. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 Quote The death toll from the earthquake has now risen above 20,000, after Turkey’s Disaster and Emergency Management Presidency body published its latest update on the amount of people who have died. AFAD said the death toll in Turkey is now 17,134, Reuters reports. It would make an increase from the total announced by Turkey’s president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Thursday afternoon, which stood at 16,546. State media in Syria said the death toll in government-held areas had risen to 1,347, up from 1,262. Earlier, the White Helmets civil defence group said 1,930 had been reported dead in rebel-held areas in the north-west of the country. It brings the overall total to 20,411. Experts have said the casualty figures are expected to continue to rise in the coming days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 If the estimates are 200,000 people were trapped, the final death toll is near certainly six figures as well. Unfathomable pain for the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I've avoided watching most videos, but I did see one of a seemingly modern apartment building collapsing. Horrible to know that we have the design and technology to prevent such collapse in new builds, but those standards aren't in place around the world (or, are available and perhaps required on-paper, but in reality are ignored through corruption). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I mean this is just incredibly devastating. Makes you look at your own life and problems much differently. Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demut Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 >Turks start wondering out loud where the $30bn earthquake tax fund went >Goat-raping dictator Merdedogan shuts down social media Sasuga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 I've heard a lot about this earthquake tax that they have, and I do wonder where that money went. Was it squandered by the central government, or was it distributed to local governments where it was promptly misused or stolen by local politicians? The people of Turkey should be very upset about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 From The Guardian: Quote The death toll in Turkey has risen to to 19,388, according to the president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who said 77,711 people had been injured. The number of deaths in neighbouring Syria has been put at 3,377, giving a combined death toll of 22,765. 3 hours ago, mclumber1 said: I've heard a lot about this earthquake tax that they have, and I do wonder where that money went. Was it squandered by the central government, or was it distributed to local governments where it was promptly misused or stolen by local politicians? The people of Turkey should be very upset about this. As the earthquake death toll soars, so does criticism of Turkey's government response WWW.NPR.ORG Critics are laying into the government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, accusing it of incompetence in its response to the massive quake and misplacing tax revenues meant for dealing with disasters. Quote After a catastrophic earthquake in northwestern Turkey killed more than 18,000 people in 1999, authorities imposed an earthquake tax meant to corral billions of dollars' worth of disaster prevention and relief. "They grease their cronies' palms with earthquake taxes," says political opposition leader Kemal Kilicdaroglu. "Where is that money? It's gone." Ozel says it's not just a "near-total incompetence on preparedness on the part of the government" in responding to this week's earthquake. "To make matters worse, if that were even possible," he says, "the government is also making it almost impossible for other organizations, civil society, citizens themselves and mayors and municipalities to actually help." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Live updates: Over 25,000 dead from quake in Turkey and Syria WWW.GOOGLE.COM More than 25,000 people have been killed and tens of thousands injured after a magnitude 7.8 earthquake struck Turkey and Syria on Monday, officials said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Turkey Detains Building Contractors as Recovery Efforts Ramp Up - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM As the death toll in Turkey and Syria passed 25,000, Ankara was coming under growing criticism for its slow response and tolerance of shoddy construction. Rounding up scapegoats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 While the government absolutely should have and enforce standards, definitely round up and shoot contractors who do a poor job regardless of if they’re forced to or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 >Natural disaster happens, killing thousands of people >Alright people, we're introducing a new tax for a fund in case this happens again, so we can take care of everyone! >Politicians secretly go "hehehe, there's no way this happens again in our lifetimes, right?! We're scott-free!" >Disaster happens again in lifetime >"..... shit. BLAME ANYONE AND EVERYONE BESIDES US FOR INCOMPETENCE!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 The Guardian reports: Quote Rescuers in southern Turkey have warned that efforts to find survivors after the earthquake have been hampered by outbreaks of violence, as the death toll in Syria and Turkey passed 28,000. German rescuers and the Austrian army paused search operations on Saturday, citing fighting between unidentified groups. An Austrian army spokesperson said altercations between groups in the Hatay province resulted in dozens of personnel from the Austrian Forces Disaster Relief Unit seeking shelter in a base camp with other international organisations, the BBC reported. Lt Col Pierre Kugelweis said in a statement: “There is increasing aggression between factions in Turkey. The chances of saving a life bears no reasonable relation to the safety risk.” Austria resumed its rescue operation after the Turkish army stepped in to offer protection, the country’s Ministry of Defence said. The German branch of the search and rescue group Isar and Germany’s Federal Agency for Technical Relief (TSW) also suspended operations, citing security concerns. Isar spokesperson Stefan Heine said: “There are more and more reports of clashes between different factions, shots have also been fired.” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 Turkey detains building contractors as quake deaths pass 33K | AP News APNEWS.COM ANTAKYA, Turkey (AP) — Turkish justice officials targeted more than 130 people allegedly involved in shoddy and illegal construction methods as rescuers extricated more survivors, including a pregnant woman and two small children, six days after a pair of earthquakes collapsed thousands of buildings. Quote Turkish justice officials targeted more than 130 people allegedly involved in shoddy and illegal construction methods as rescuers extricated more survivors, including a pregnant woman and two small children, six days after a pair of earthquakes collapsed thousands of buildings. The death toll from Monday’s quakes that hit southeastern Turkey and northern Syria stood at 33,179 on Sunday and was certain to rise as search teams locate more bodies in the rubble. Authorities said more than 92,600 other people were injured in the disaster. As despair also bred rage at the agonizingly slow rescue efforts, the focus turned to who was to blame for not better preparing people in the earthquake-prone region that includes an area of Syria that was already suffering from years of civil war. Even though Turkey has, on paper, construction codes that meet current earthquake-engineering standards, they are too rarely enforced, explaining why thousands of buildings slumped onto their side or pancaked downward onto residents. Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag said Sunday that 134 people were being investigated for their alleged responsibility in the construction of buildings that failed to withstand the quakes, according to Turkey’s state-run Anadolu news agency. He said that three had been arrested pending trial, seven people were detained and seven other were barred from leaving the country. Bozdag has vowed to punish anyone responsible, and prosecutors have begun gathering samples of buildings for evidence on materials used in constructions. The quakes were powerful, but victims, experts and people across Turkey are blaming bad construction for multiplying the devastation. Authorities at Istanbul Airport on Sunday detained two contractors held responsible for the destruction of several buildings in Adiyaman, the private DHA news agency and other media reported. The pair were reportedly on their way to Georgia. One of the arrested contractors, Yavuz Karakus, told reporters Sunday: “My conscience is clear. I built 44 buildings. Four of them were demolished. I did everything according to the rules,” the DHA news agency reported. Two more people were arrested in the province of Gaziantep suspected of having cut down columns to make extra room in a building that collapsed, the state-run Anadolu Agency said. A day earlier, Turkey’s Justice Ministry announced the planned establishment of “Earthquake Crimes Investigation” bureaus. The bureaus would aim to identify contractors and others responsible for building works, gather evidence, instruct experts including architects, geologists and engineers, and check building permits and occupation permits. A building contractor was detained by authorities on Friday at Istanbul airport before he could board a flight out of the country. He had built a luxury 12-story building called Ronesans Rezidans in the historic city of Antakya, in Hatay province. When it went down, it left an untold number of dead. He was formally arrested Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Turkey making a good argument for why it shouldn't be in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Soccer star found dead and many still missing in Turkey earthquake rubble WWW.GOOGLE.COM Christian Atsu had been scheduled to fly out of Turkey hours before the first temblor hit, but he chose to stay and celebrate his team's win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Earthquake death toll passes 46,000; desperation for signs of life WWW.REUTERS.COM The death toll is expected to soar with some 264,000 apartments in Turkey destroyed and many still missing in the country's worst modern disaster. Reports of rescues continue to arrive... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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