Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 McRaven oversaw the Navy SEAL operation that liquidated OBL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Well that is one way to ensure that you keep your clearance with Trump. McRaven - "Sir, I request you revoke my security clearance." Trump - "Listen Bill you are going to keep it, because you are a disgrace and deserve no honor." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Most of these people deserve to be treated poorly, it’s just unfortunate that the imbecile is the one who is doling out the punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 What if Trump pulls Mueller's clearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: What if Trump pulls Mueller's clearance? Then the libs will be triggered and cry a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I wouldn't put it past Trump to start arresting these intelligence guys because they stubbornly insist on remembering classified information they learned years ago even though their clearance has been revoked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, Jason said: Then the libs will be triggered and cry a lot. The seas will rise from the librul tears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Jwheel86 said: What if Trump pulls Mueller's clearance? The investigation will be passed on to someone else. Also there will be lots of sign picketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CayceG Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Shut up, Greenwald. Anyway, I have a question. Obviously Trump did this as retribution/punishment for Brennan being such an outspoken critic... But how exactly is it a violation of free speech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, CayceG said: Shut up, Greenwald. Anyway, I have a question. Obviously Trump did this as retribution/punishment for Brennan being such an outspoken critic... But how exactly is it a violation of free speech? You're unclear about why a government official retaliating against you for speaking your mind is a free speech violation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I'm asking why it's a practical violation of free speech. How is this keeping him from speaking? Retaliation for speech isn't a violation of that freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, CayceG said: I'm asking why it's a practical violation of free speech. How is this keeping him from speaking? Retaliation for speech isn't a violation of that freedom. I don't see it as a First Amendment issue. This probably falls under due process or some other provision, but I don't see this as a strictly freedom of speech one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I don't see it as a First Amendment issue. This probably falls under due process or some other provision, but I don't see this as a strictly freedom of speech one. I agree with this for this case, but I do see how it could be a first-amendment issue for the government to take any reprisal against you, even if it doesn't prevent you (technically) from speaking. but instead suppresses/cools your desire to speak because of the threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I agree with this for this case, but I do see how it could be a first-amendment issue for the government to take any reprisal against you, even if it doesn't prevent you (technically) from speaking. but instead suppresses/cools your desire to speak because of the threat. The catch is that a security clearance does not "belong" to the individual who possesses it - it belongs to the government and the individual who has one really has no "rights" in regard to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: The catch is that a security clearance does not "belong" to the individual who possesses it - it belongs to the government and the individual who has one really has no "rights" in regard to it. But they're not supposed to be taken away without a security justification for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I agree with this for this case, but I do see how it could be a first-amendment issue for the government to take any reprisal against you, even if it doesn't prevent you (technically) from speaking. but instead suppresses/cools your desire to speak because of the threat. Does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jason said: But they're not supposed to be taken away without a security justification for doing so. Right, it's another case of selective enforcement. Trump absolutely has the authority to fire Comey. If someone paid him a million dollars to do it, that's still illegal. 3 minutes ago, CayceG said: Does it? In this case, Trump has gone out of his way to invite slippery slope arguments. Granted, Brennen himself has basically said, "No skin off my ass" for this. But one of the intelligence agents signing on to support Brennen mentioned they are waiting for Justice to sign off on their book. Hmm, any potential for intimidation there? In general, it sounds like the biggest issue for retired agents with clearance is how much it could effect their memoirs. That is a direct line between the public gaining first hand knowledge, and that messenger being silenced by Trump. And that's before you get to the people he is threatening to do this to who are still employed. It is my understanding that removing Bruce Oyr's clearance would be, effectively, to fire him. Add that all up, and this sends a message to everyone in the intelligence field. Get caught showing any negative attitudes to Trump, and you're fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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