CitizenVectron Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Things might get super interesting in the Black Sea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: Things might get super interesting in the Black Sea I wonder if NATO would consider an attack on Romanian civilian shipping as an Article 5 incident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I wonder if NATO would consider an attack on Romanian civilian shipping as an Article 5 incident? With this and Russian attacks on merchant ships it wouldn't suprise me in the least if the US or NATO sends a convoy to the area to escort ships or possibly blockade Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Link200 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: Honestly, making only gay porn available seems quite fitting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: Honestly I’m kinda surprised how small each explosion is, but I guess they make up the margin in volume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I do want to point out that doesn't necessarily mean that the NATO response to Russian cyberwarfare will be "kinetic" in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I do want to point out that doesn't necessarily mean that the NATO response to Russian cyberwarfare will be "kinetic" in nature. True, but I could see Russia responding to a cyber counter-attack with a kinetic response haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 wtf is a kinetic response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 28 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: It's becoming somewhat clear that elements of the Russian military really don't have the heart or stomach for this operation, and that's something that should be exploited by Ukraine/NATO creatively. For example, an idea that I just had was to flood Russian military communication nets with an offer for any Russian units that really don't want to be part of this to cease their advances and hold in position -- not to withdraw from the territory they currently hold, but actually just sit tight right where they are. In exchange for this, NATO would act as a protective/buffer force between those units and any other Russian units that may decide to attack them. Hell, the NATO force would act as a buffer against Ukrainian forces who would do the same, but this plan would be naturally coordinated with the Ukrainian government first so I doubt that would be an issue. I'm well aware this this plan is probably/definitely completely unfeasible, but this is the type of thinking that SHOULD be happening in Washington, London, Paris, and Berlin in order to exploit what genuinely appears to be a reluctance of Russian commanders (at least at the field level) to really press this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, SuperSpreader said: wtf is a kinetic response A response that blows something up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Comet Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It's becoming somewhat clear that elements of the Russian military really don't have the heart or stomach for this operation, and that's something that should be exploited by Ukraine/NATO creatively. For example, an idea that I just had was to flood Russian military communication nets with an offer for any Russian units that really don't want to be part of this to cease their advances and hold in position -- not to withdraw from the territory they currently hold, but actually just sit tight right where they are. In exchange for this, NATO would act as a protective/buffer force between those units and any other Russian units that may decide to attack them. Hell, the NATO force would act as a buffer against Ukrainian forces who would do the same, but this plan would be naturally coordinated with the Ukrainian government first so I doubt that would be an issue. I'm well aware this this plan is probably completely unfeasible, but this is the type of thinking that SHOULD be happening in Washington, London, Paris, and Berlin in order to exploit what genuinely appears to be a reluctance of Russian commanders (at least at the field level) to really press this thing. To expedite this plan offer them EU citizenship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: It's becoming somewhat clear that elements of the Russian military really don't have the heart or stomach for this operation, and that's something that should be exploited by Ukraine/NATO creatively. For example, an idea that I just had was to flood Russian military communication nets with an offer for any Russian units that really don't want to be part of this to cease their advances and hold in position -- not withdraw, but actually just sit tight right where they are. In exchange for this, NATO would act as a protective/buffer force between those units and any other Russian units that may decide to attack them. Hell, the NATO force would act as a buffer against Ukrainian forces who would do the same, but this plan would be naturally coordinated with the Ukrainian government first so I doubt that would be an issue. I'm well aware this this plan is probably completely unfeasible, but this is the type of thinking that SHOULD be happening in Washington, London, Paris, and Berlin in order to exploit what genuinely appears to be a reluctance of Russian commanders (at least at the field level) to really press this thing. EU citizenship and $10k per Russian defector plus bonuses and pension to the officers and NCOs that organize it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Comet said: To expedite this plan offer them EU citizenship. 5 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: EU citizenship and $10k per Russian defector plus bonuses and pension to the officers and NCOs that organize it. Sure - why not? I really do genuinely think there are ways to end this thing that don't involve a whole lot more killing AND work to undermine Putin at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I truly think NATO should extend a membership offer to Ukraine now if they could work out some deal for Zelensky to not invoke Article 5 immediately. Again, wildly unrealistic. But it's what my heart wants. At the protest I attended, most people were calling for actions from kicking Russia out of SWIFT to instituting a NATO No Fly Zone over Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Based on that map, I remain THOROUGHLY UNIMPRESSED by Russia's battlefield performance... ...and I pray to Nestor Ivanovich Makhno that I remain in a such condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Based on that map, I remain THOROUGHLY UNIMPRESSED by Russia's battlefield performance. And likewise, I think Russia's main objective with all this was more in line with my early predictions rather than reinforcement/retaking of the entirety of the Donbas. I think the plan was always going to be to demilitarize Ukraine and oust Ze. That's what these pushes show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 I still don't get why they seem to have only committed about 1/3 of their forces into Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Real Stalingrad-ass shit here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Additionally, it sounds like there is at least some consultation about talks between Ze and Putin. Maybe Israel could be the neutral ground (and finally be good for something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Holding talks in Belarus, which is definitely NOT a neutral country, is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Ze is pushing for talks in Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I’m sure the Russians are frustrated this I’d all they’ve been able to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Comet said: I’m sure the Russians are frustrated this I’d all they’ve been able to do It's probably some combination of that's all they've been able to achieve because of heroically stiff Ukrainian resistance and unit-level/field-level commanders "slow walking" their operations because they're just not sold on this thing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ThreePi Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: If they find one ruble running Fox News they should shut that shit down. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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