rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: You just said you would need an MLB statement/report to accept it, but you didn’t use that standard with the Astros. Just pointing out the inconsistency of your position Nah reread. I said credible report. Which there was. The Atlantic broke that story wide open. Give me something like that and I’m all ears. “look at Twitter” is not credible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, rc0101 said: Ah so rumors but nothing from MLB or credible reporting... Cool cool cool Here... to save you time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, rc0101 said: Yeah get back to me when there is an actual report or statement from MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, sblfilms said: lol I obviously meant article as my earlier reply. This is getting silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Acting like this is restricted to the Astros is super naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jose said: Acting like this is restricted to the Astros is super naive. Could the Dodgers have? Sure. To say they DID without anything is funny. I’m not going to agree they or any other team cheated just because someone on Twitter said every team is doing it. All I’m asking is for some evidence like we had with the Astros and now Red Sox. If you don’t agree with me I’m cool with that. oh and Yankees since I seem to remember them getting fined for using the bullpen phone or something in the past few years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, rc0101 said: Could the Dodgers have? Sure. To say they DID without anything is funny. I’m not going to agree they or any other team cheated just because someone on Twitter said every team is doing it. All I’m asking is for some evidence like we had with the Astros and now Red Sox. If you don’t agree with me I’m cool with that. oh and Yankees since I seem to remember them getting fined for using the bullpen phone or something in the past few years? It was Logan Morrison who said it, not someone on twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 ban the astros for 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: It was Logan Morrison who said it, not someone on twitter. And he deleted it didn’t he? I don’t have Instagram. Any other articles making this claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, rc0101 said: And he deleted it didn’t he? I don’t have Instagram. Any other articles making this claim? MLB rumors: Ex-Yankees minor leaguer rips Astros probe, Rob Manfred Quote “I was playing with Seattle in 2014 and every time we went into Houston you would hear this banging," Morrison wrote. “No one put two and two together. Seattle fans may remember we came with in (sic) a game of going to the playoffs. Felix should have won a CY young (sic) that year. But couldn’t get pasted (sic) the 5th in Houston. “I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs. Just want you guys to know the truth. I personally think it’s a tool in a tool belt to pick signs, but if we are going to be punishing people for it. Don’t half ass it.” He played in the Yankees system last year, so I assume he knows what he's talking about WRT to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 @rc0101 Why does it matter if he deleted it? Why does it matter if you have Instagram?! Are you arguing in good faith right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Jose said: @rc0101 Why does it matter if he deleted it? Why does it matter if you have Instagram?! Are you arguing in good faith right now? Huh? I don’t have instagram to check if he retracted it. How am I not arguing in good faith? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, rc0101 said: And he deleted it didn’t he? I don’t have Instagram. Any other articles making this claim? The Brewers, Mets, and Red Sox, hilarious enough, all complained about the Dodgers stealing signs. This isn't a be thing either. There are articles about this going back years. How have you managed to miss them all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Just now, rc0101 said: Huh? I don’t have instagram to check if he retracted it. How am I not arguing in good faith? lol You can't Google Logan Morrison and find out in like less than 5 minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: The Brewers, Mets, and Red Sox, hilarious enough, all complained about the Dodgers stealing signs. This isn't a be thing either. There are articles about this going back years. How have you managed to miss them all? Every team accuses the other of stealing signs. MLB should investigate the Dodgers. I wasn’t aware of Morissons accusation and to be honest wasn’t even aware of who he is. if he is credible I can’t imagine some reporter doesn’t follow up with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jose said: You can't Google Logan Morrison and find out in like less than 5 minutes? Just did boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Like when this was suspected of being a GM run thing, I understood the Astros hate. But now? It's clear that the Astros were made to be the sacrificial lamb, just like the Braves a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, rc0101 said: Every team accuses the other of stealing signs. MLB should investigate the Dodgers. I wasn’t aware of Morissons accusation and to be honest wasn’t even aware of who he is. if he is credible I can’t imagine some reporter doesn’t follow up with him. There's no need to investigate them. If there was, EVERY team would be under investigation. The league issued their warning and by all accounts I've seen, the Dodgers and most other teams dropped it. Houston's problem is that they didn't and they're getting a slap on the wrist because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Just now, Jose said: Like when this was suspected of being a GM run thing, I understood the Astros hate. But now? Directed at me? If so I’m not following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: There's no need to investigate them. If there was, EVERY team would be under investigation. The league issued their warning and by all accounts I've seen, the Dodgers and most other teams dropped it. Houston's problem is that they didn't and they're getting hit a slap on the wrist because of it. Yeah and I don’t agree with mlb on either case. This has the potential of the steroid era all over again. Also, if MLB won’t investigate it doesn’t mean someone like Rosenthal won’t/aren’t right now. also I’ll add this... The Dogers were 18th in strikeouts in ‘17 and 23rd in ‘18 so if they were stealing signs they did a piss poor job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Guess this just leaves the Yankees as the only reputable organization left in baseball 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, rc0101 said: lol I obviously meant article as my earlier reply. This is getting silly. I accept your intention was something other than how I read it. 50 minutes ago, rc0101 said: also I’ll add this... The Dogers were 18th in strikeouts in ‘17 and 23rd in ‘18 so if they were stealing signs they did a piss poor job Carlos Beltran, the guy credited with instituting the camera/trash can sign stealing scheme in Houston had worse splits at home than on the road even in the playoffs, for 2017. Stealing signs doesn’t necessarily make you more disciplined at the plate, it likely helps those who already possess good instincts at the plate but may give no meaningful advantage to those who already struggle to lay off pitches they shouldn’t swing at. 2 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: Guess this just leaves the Yankees as the only reputable organization left in baseball The Yankees are alleged to have used electronic means (specifically the video replay room) to steal signs as early as the 2015 season and into the 2017 season, which was a violation of the rules at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Well, this was...something. How can people be this naive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Beltran is out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Sources: Carlos Beltran out as Mets manager Quote Carlos Beltran, the only player named in MLB's investigation of the Houston Astros sign-stealing scandal, is out as manager of the New York Mets before beginning his first season with the team, sources confirmed to ESPN's Jeff Passan on Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Ban all humans from the sport and turn baseball into Base Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Someone is upset their team didn't get the chance to go all in with the sign stealing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 45 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: He told them not to do it because they had done it earlier in the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Ghost_MH said: Someone is upset their team didn't get the chance to go all in with the sign stealing... Reallly bad take on Mendoza’s part. MLB knew about all this because teams had been flinging complaints left and right for *years* and it wasn’t until Fiers went on the record in the media that MLB was forced to deal with it. Fiers is still a rat though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Or he wore it in the ALCS when it was too loud for garbage can banging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, rc0101 said: Or he wore it in the ALCS when it was too loud for garbage can banging Here is your credible reporting AND MLB statement, all in one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Just now, sblfilms said: Here is your credible reporting AND MLB statement, all in one Yeah I wasn’t being serious just knew I would get a response from you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, rc0101 said: Yeah I wasn’t being serious just knew I would get a response from you I know. This is all humorous to me. Josh Reddick’s wife going HAM on Twitter over the accusation that Reddick was wearing a buzzer that signaled what pitch type was coming. Should instead just point out that Josh Reddick has been hardcore trash for three straight post seasons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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