Greatoneshere Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Never forget. Can you imagine this on an actual picket line? So yes, this is about upstaging him, and it won't be hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 10 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Not laugh reacting at you: laughing at the first line. The Trump team is claiming it was forced. My guess is different: yes, Trump was going there, but he’s there for a rally that he claims is pro worker. Going to the picket line hasn’t been done in 100 years (I think), so I’d say it’s more upstaging Trump, who we know is a phony, and forcing Donald to look indecisive and weak on worker rights. Oh you're absolutely right. The thing that Hillary's campaign fucked up more than anything was ignoring the middle american working class. At least Trump pretended to give a shit about them. Hillary never tried (she'll never live down the "basket of deplorables" debacle). The amount of power that can be derived from a simple "I see you and I hear you" is immense, regardless of actual policy. It's easy for Donald Trump to win people over, even though he actively fights against their interests, because at least he acknowledges them. With Biden joining the picket line, he can go "here's what we're ACTUALLY doing for workers' rights," which leaves Donald on the back foot. Like I said, I think he was kind of forced into it because he loves to suck corporate dick and someone in his camp was like "this is an easy W if we just show up for a couple days," but it's still a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Fizzzzle said: Oh you're absolutely right. The thing that Hillary's campaign fucked up more than anything was ignoring the middle american working class. At least Trump pretended to give a shit about them. Hillary never tried (she'll never live down the "basket of deplorables" debacle). The amount of power that can be derived from a simple "I see you and I hear you" is immense, regardless of actual policy. It's easy for Donald Trump to win people over, even though he actively fights against their interests, because at least he acknowledges them. With Biden joining the picket line, he can go "here's what we're ACTUALLY doing for workers' rights," which leaves Donald on the back foot. Like I said, I think he was kind of forced into it because he loves to suck corporate dick and someone in his camp was like "this is an easy W if we just show up for a couple days," but it's still a good thing. It really does amaze me how bad the Democrats are at messaging sometimes, too. Sometimes it feels like it’s deliberate. Want to call out the strong support for Trump amongst racist/sexist right-wing groups? Call everyone who’s not 100% in your camp already a ‘deplorable’. Want a stronger welfare state with more robust state provision of basic needs to help everyone? Call it ‘socialism’, so it can be tethered to the totalitarianism of the Cold War’s communist bloc. Want to reform the police force so it’s less militarized and focused on community safety rather than constantly engaged in ‘the war on [insert illegal behavior]’? Say you’re gonna ‘defund the police’. Want to build a coalition of blue-collar workers, the youth vote, and minorities? Assume you’ve got a lock on the first, and that the third is a monolith that will automatically vote for you if you label your opponent as a racist. Like…it’s just criminal strategic ineptitude. I would also add ‘let’s force out the blue dogs from the party and not allow any local variation or dissent on some issues like gun control’ to those other mis-steps, but that’s a more controversial one. Either way, it’s aggravating to constantly watch the party shoot itself in the foot and alienate constituencies it’s aligned with, especially now that so much of the GOP has gone totally off the deep end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 24 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: It really does amaze me how bad the Democrats are at messaging sometimes, too. Sometimes it feels like it’s deliberate. Want to call out the strong support for Trump amongst racist/sexist right-wing groups? Call everyone who’s not 100% in your camp already a ‘deplorable’. Want a stronger welfare state with more robust state provision of basic needs to help everyone? Call it ‘socialism’, so it can be tethered to the totalitarianism of the Cold War’s communist bloc. Want to reform the police force so it’s less militarized and focused on community safety rather than constantly engaged in ‘the war on [insert illegal behavior]’? Say you’re gonna ‘defund the police’. Want to build a coalition of blue-collar workers, the youth vote, and minorities? Assume you’ve got a lock on the first, and that the third is a monolith that will automatically vote for you if you label your opponent as a racist. Like…it’s just criminal strategic ineptitude. I would also add ‘let’s force out the blue dogs from the party and not allow any local variation or dissent on some issues like gun control’ to those other mis-steps, but that’s a more controversial one. Either way, it’s aggravating to constantly watch the party shoot itself in the foot and alienate constituencies it’s aligned with, especially now that so much of the GOP has gone totally off the deep end. This post is again disconnected from the reality of elected democrats, who they are and what they say, and “people I made up” from the internet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Want to call out the strong support for Trump amongst racist/sexist right-wing groups? Call everyone who’s not 100% in your camp already a ‘deplorable’. I think when someone like you, who IS informed, thinks she said that, it really shows how well the smear campaign worked and how attacking voters in any way can backfire. She didn’t call everyone that. She said half his supporters were radical fringe “deplorables” that Trump helped lift up, and some of these neo-nazis you'll never be able to convert, but not to forget the other half were people who think the government and economy have left them down and that nobody cares about them or their futures, so desperate for change and hold out hope that Trump will make positive change in their lives. The full part of her speech was about empathizing with and not forgetting the people who will push aside Trump’s worst impulses — which we now know includes insurrections. On the other hand, does anyone here remember Trump saying he's leading in states where people are intelligent? I think that's much worse than saying he has extremist supporters but don't forget the little guy who just wants help, but somehow it didn't get as much play. And I'm willing to bet that's not at all what cost him the election. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ominous Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/25/2023 at 12:38 AM, Greatoneshere said: Never forget. Can you imagine this on an actual picket line? So yes, this is about upstaging him, and it won't be hard. He's going to toss car part components to non union parts suppliers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 He speaks at the beginning and end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 New set of 'strike zones' being named tomorrow, maybe, but probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 29, 2023 Author Share Posted September 29, 2023 UAW announces new strikes at GM and Ford plants, spares Stellantis citing 'momentum' in talks WWW.CNBC.COM About 6,900 autoworkers will take part in the latest wave of work stoppages, joining roughly 18,300 workers who are currently on strike for the union. Quote The United Auto Workers union will expand strikes against General Motors and Ford Motor to two U.S. assembly plants at noon ET, UAW President Shawn Fain said Friday. The additional strikes will target Ford’s Chicago Assembly in Illinois, which produces the Ford Explorer and Lincoln Aviator SUVs, and GM’s Lansing Delta Township plant in mid Michigan that produces the Buick Enclave and Chevrolet Traverse crossovers. The plants are important ones for the companies, however not as profitable or crucial as facilities that produce the automakers’ pickup trucks. Fain said Chrysler parent Stellantis was spared from additional strikes because of recent progress in negotiations with that company. “Moments before this broadcast, Stellantis made significant progress on the 2009 cost of living allowance, the right not to cross a picket line, as well as the right to strike over product commitments and plant closures and outsourcing moratoriums,” said Fain, who was delayed nearly 30 minutes in making the online announcement. “We are excited about this momentum at Stellantis and hope it continues.” Ford CEO says UAW is 'holding the deal hostage' over EV battery plants WWW.CNBC.COM Multibillion-dollar EV battery plants are crucial to the automotive industry's future and uniquely positioned to have wide-ranging implications for the UAW, Quote The United Auto Workers union is holding up negotiations with Ford Motor over future EV battery plants, Ford CEO Jim Farley said Friday. “I believe we could have reached a compromise on pay and benefits but so far the UAW is holding the deal hostage over battery plants,” he said Friday after the UAW announced it would expand strikes to two additional assembly plants — one each for Ford and General Motors. Farley criticized the union for its targeted strike strategy, saying he feels the actions were “premediated” and insinuating the union was never interested in reaching a deal before a Sept. 14 deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 UAW will not expand strikes at Detroit automakers after last-minute GM proposal WWW.CNBC.COM The United Auto Workers will not expand strikes against the Detroit automakers this week amid progress in the talks, UAW President Shawn Fain said Friday. Quote The United Auto Workers will not expand strikes against the Detroit automakers this week amid progress in the talks, UAW President Shawn Fain said Friday. This is the first time since targeted strikes by the UAW started on Sept. 15 that the union will not expand the work stoppages at General Motors, Ford Motor, or Chrysler-parent Stellantis. Fain said the union was planning to shut down GM’s Arlington Assembly plant until a last-minute proposal by the company to include the automaker’s battery cell workers under its national agreement. UAW has been gradually increasing the strikes since the work stoppages began, after the sides failed to reach tentative agreements by Sept 14. The targeted, or “stand up,” strikes are taking place instead of national walkouts in which all plants simultaneously strike. “Here’s the bottom line: We are winning. We are making progress,” Fain said Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 Update: Quote GM has agreed in writing to place their electric battery manufacturing under the UAW's National Master Agreement. 2023 UAW strike update: GM agrees to place electric vehicle battery plants under national contract WWW.CBSNEWS.COM UAW President Shawn Fain made an announcement on Friday, sharing the latest bargaining updates in the union's historic strike against the Big Three automakers. Quote After threatening to strike a major General Motors plant in Arlington, Texas, Fain said the automaker has agreed to place electric vehicle battery plants under a national contract with the UAW. "This week, GM did something that was unthinkable until just today," said Fain. "They agreed to put the future of this industry under our national agreement. This victory is a direct result of the power of our membership. It's your willingness to stand up when called. It's your commitment to winning what you are owed. The companies see it. The world sees it. And today, I was ready to call on one of GM's biggest and most important plants to stand up. And it was that threat that brought GM to the table." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 UAW launches strike against Ford's Kentucky truck plant, signaling major escalation in labor fight WWW.CNBC.COM United Auto Workers has unexpectedly expanded its U.S. strikes at Ford Motor to a highly profitable SUV and truck plant for the automaker in Kentucky. Quote The United Auto Workers union launched an unexpected strike against Ford Motor at the automaker’s highly profitable SUV and pickup truck plant in Kentucky. The strike was effective at 6:30 p.m. ET Wednesday at Ford’s Kentucky Truck Plant, where the automaker produces Ford Super Duty pickups as well as the Ford Expedition and the Lincoln Navigator SUVs. The facility employs 8,700 UAW members. The strike at the plant — Ford’s largest in terms of employment and revenue — marks a major escalation in the UAW’s targeted, or “stand-up,” strikes. It also represents a shift in strategy now in the fourth week of expanded strikes. For previous work strikes, UAW President Shawn Fain has publicly announced the targets before the work stoppages occur. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keyser_Soze Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Mack Trucks have also joined Mack Trucks employees go on strike after rejecting contract WWW.NBCNEWS.COM Workers slammed a proposed deal between the company and their union, and about 4,000 of them are now on strike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 UAW expands strike to Stellantis pickup truck plant in Michigan WWW.CNBC.COM The work stoppage marks the first escalation in the union's strike in nearly two weeks and the first new work stoppage at Stellantis in over a month. Quote The United Auto Workers union is expanding its strike to a Stellantis plant in Michigan that produces Ram 1500 full-size pickup trucks, dealing another blow to the Detroit automakers as negotiations drag on. The new work stoppage includes roughly 6,800 workers at Stellantis’ Sterling Heights Assembly Plant in suburban Detroit, the union announced Monday after initiating the walkout. “Currently, Stellantis has the worst proposal on the table regarding wage progression, temporary worker pay and conversion to full-time, cost-of-living adjustments (COLA), and more,” the UAW said in a release. The walkout at the Sterling Heights plant brings the total number of UAW members on strike with the Detroit automakers to more than 40,000. It marks the first escalation in the union’s strike in nearly two weeks and the first new work stoppage at Stellantis in over a month. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 UAW expands strike to crucial GM SUV plant in Texas hours after automaker reports earnings WWW.CNBC.COM The strike escalation includes roughly 5,000 workers at GM's Arlington Assembly that produces the Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon and Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban. Quote The United Auto Workers union on Tuesday expanded its strike against General Motors to a highly profitable full-size SUV plant in Texas — a swift response to healthy profits and record third-quarter revenue for the automaker. The Tuesday strike escalation includes roughly 5,000 workers at GM’s Arlington Assembly plant, which produces the Cadillac Escalade and Escalade ESV, GMC Yukon and Yukon XL, and Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban SUVs. The walkout came just hours after the automaker reported third-quarter earnings results that beat Wall Street’s expectations. “Another record quarter, another record year. As we’ve said for months: record profits equal record contracts,” said UAW President Shawn Fain in a statement. “It’s time GM workers, and the whole working class, get their fair share.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: record profits equal record contracts my new motto for everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 UAW and Ford reach tentative agreement, potentially ending strike at the Big Three automaker WWW.NBCNEWS.COM The strike against Detroit's Big Three automakers has been marked by contentious back-and-forth between the companies and UAW President Shawn Fain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Sounds like workers are getting a 25% raise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 An agreement between the UAW and GM appears to have been negotiated, following this past weekend's agreement with Stellantis. GM reaches tentative deal with UAW, ending strikes at Detroit automakers after six weeks WWW.CNBC.COM The tentative deal is the result of contentious negotiations, which saw thousands of union members walk out of plants and onto picket lines. Quote The United Auto Workers and General Motors have agreed to a deal that will put an end to collective bargaining talks between the union and Detroit automakers following more than six weeks of targeted U.S. labor strikes, sources told CNBC. GM is the final Detroit automaker to reach a deal with the union following historically contentious talks. Tens of thousands of workers across the country went on strikes after the sides failed to reach agreements by a Sept. 14 deadline. Two sources familiar with the GM-UAW talks said negotiations occurred last night and into the early morning to reach an agreement. Spokespeople with the UAW and GM declined to comment Monday. Ford Motor was the first to reach a tentative agreement with the union, on Wednesday, followed by a deal with Chrysler-parent Stellantis on Saturday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 25% salary increase is damn fine collective bargaining. In solidarity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 The contracts have been ratified by the UAW membership for GM (55% approval) and Stellantis (68% approval). The ratification by Ford workers is expected soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 Ford workers have ratified the contract with 68% approval. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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