Spawn_of_Apathy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 15 hours ago, Biggie said: Pokémon is just fine. Leave it alone. Define “fine”. They are some of the worst looking, worst performing, jankiest games in the Switch library. Definitely the worst in all areas compared to other Nintendo first party titles. They should only be considered acceptable if you’ve got stocks in Nintendo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 18 hours ago, best3444 said: I am asking this seriously so maybe I can understand better. What's the main appeal of Pokémon? I litteraly know nothing about it. Should I be playing these games? It’s like digital cock fighting, or dog fighting, or mongoose and cobra fighting etc. you go out catch your own. Fight others. Level them up. Learn new moves, build teams of different makeups, earn badges by beating gym leaders that lets you control Pokémon of higher and higher levels. It’s an RPG where instead of a knight, white mage, rogue, dark mage, etc you capture animals. Solve mysteries. Depending on the game you have gangs, a rival, and maybe some legendary Pokémon to defeat that’s screwing with the world. many people have at least 1 favorite Pokémon. And there’s a desire to fill out the Pokédex (collection index) of every Pokémon in the franchise. So it’s a big collect-a-thon game too. There’s breeding in games, so you can even get into breeding Pokémon with the stats and abilities you want. There’s “shiny” Pokémon that are rare versions of basic Pokémon. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: Define “fine”. They are some of the worst looking, worst performing, jankiest games in the Switch library. Definitely the worst in all areas compared to other Nintendo first party titles. They should only be considered acceptable if you’ve got stocks in Nintendo. To me Pokémon games have charm. They aren’t perfect by any means but they are just plain fun. I enjoy the crap outta them. And for anyone to suggest that somehow PalWorld will push GameFreak to make a better Pokémon game is crazy lol. PalWorld is ass in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 The main draw of Pokemon is the Pokemon, that's it. People show up for the Pokemon and to catch em all. Anything else you're saying is nonsense There are plenty of Pokemon games out there that are not the mainline RPG gameplay. Games like Pokken Tournament, Pokemon Go, Pokemon Snap, Detective Pikachu, Pokemon Shuffle, Pokemon Picross, Pokemon Unite, all play vastly different but why do people show up for them? The Pokemon. Yes there are some s out there who enjoy the battle system but the true diehards hate the modern battle system and go to this website instead Intro - Pokémon Showdown! POKEMONSHOWDOWN.COM So it's no surprise to me that a knockoff Pokemon game, with nearly the same aesthetic, but looks much better is doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitgod Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Call of Duty needs to add Pokemon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/26/2024 at 12:17 AM, Keyser_Soze said: The main draw of Pokemon is the Pokemon, that's it. People show up for the Pokemon and to catch em all. Anything else you're saying is nonsense There are plenty of Pokemon games out there that are not the mainline RPG gameplay. Games like Pokken Tournament, Pokemon Go, Pokemon Snap, Detective Pikachu, Pokemon Shuffle, Pokemon Picross, Pokemon Unite, all play vastly different but why do people show up for them? The Pokemon. Yes there are some s out there who enjoy the battle system but the true diehards hate the modern battle system and go to this website instead Intro - Pokémon Showdown! POKEMONSHOWDOWN.COM So it's no surprise to me that a knockoff Pokemon game, with nearly the same aesthetic, but looks much better is doing well. I’m one of those weirdos who enjoys the battle mechanics and the rpg gameplay lol. I prefer the old style much more than the current gen Pokémon games. I guess cause I grew up on it. But my point is that anyone who thinks that the success of PalWorld will some how shake, rattle, or spook GameFreak into creating a better Pokémon game is delusional. Anything they release with the Pokémon name on it will sell like hotcakes and they’ll money hand over fist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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best3444 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 @Biggie Weren't you like 35 years old when Pokémon came out? How in the hell did you get into it? Hell, I was too old for Pokémon when it came out hence why I know nothing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Biggie Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, best3444 said: @Biggie Weren't you like 35 years old when Pokémon came out? How in the hell did you get into it? Hell, I was too old for Pokémon when it came out hence why I know nothing about it. I grew up on Nintendo. I had the Gameboy when red/green/blue/yellow came out. Then then the Gameboy Advance. Followed by the Gameboy Advanced SP. Then of course the GOAT of handhelds the DS Lite. I’ve been a big kid and still am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Biggie said: I grew up on Nintendo. I had the Gameboy when red/green/blue/yellow came out. Then then the Gameboy Advance. Followed by the Gameboy Advanced SP. Then of course the GOAT of handhelds the DS Lite. I’ve been a big kid and still am. I was just teasing you. I'm a big kid myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, best3444 said: I was just teasing you. I'm a big kid myself. You keep saying you aren’t into Pokémon games but have you ever actually played one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, Biggie said: You keep saying you aren’t into Pokémon games but have you ever actually played one? The only one I ever played was Pokémon snap back in the N64 days. I know Pikachu at that's litteraly it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, best3444 said: The only one I ever played was Pokémon snap back in the N64 days. I know Pikachu at that's litteraly it. You should get to know Wiglett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 10 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: You should get to know Wiglett I just looked it up. Looks like a penis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 14 minutes ago, best3444 said: The only one I ever played was Pokémon snap back in the N64 days. I know Pikachu at that's litteraly it. Honestly I think you would be sadly disappointed if you bought a Pokémon game. I love them but I don’t think you would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Just now, Biggie said: Honestly I think you would be sadly disappointed if you bought a Pokémon game. I love them but I don’t think you would. I don't think I'd like it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eventide11 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, best3444 said: I don't think I'd like it either. I think you would honestly. If you can like Shin Megami you can like Pokémon IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, best3444 said: I don't think I'd like it either. 3 minutes ago, eventide11 said: I think you would honestly. If you can like Shin Megami you can like Pokémon IMHO Hey you should listen to him. He was spot on when it came to Armored Core 6! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 hours ago, Biggie said: Hey you should listen to him. He was spot on when it came to Armored Core 6! A bit different here. Pokemon is so easy a one fingered snail could play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 29 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: A bit different here. Pokemon is so easy a one fingered snail could play it. Snails have fingers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, Biggie said: Snails have fingers? The ones from Elden Ring might 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 14 hours ago, best3444 said: I don't think I'd like it either. If you like turn based RPGs, there’s about zero reason you wouldn’t like Pokemon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, Spork3245 said: If you like turn based RPGs, there’s about zero reason you wouldn’t like Pokemon This makes zero sense. There are lots of turned based games I don’t like but I’m a huge turned based fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Also, as a fan of turn-based games, Pokemon has the shittiest turn-based combat on the market that only becomes good in competitive play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 19 minutes ago, Biggie said: This makes zero sense. There are lots of turned based games I don’t like but I’m a huge turned based fan. Because some turn based games are bad, but Pokemon is a good turn based game. ie: if you’re a fan of western style fantasy RPGs you’ll almost certainly enjoy Skyrim as it’s a great western style fantasy RPG, but that doesn’t mean you’d like a bad or mediocre one such as Two Worlds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 17 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: Also, as a fan of turn-based games, Pokemon has the shittiest turn-based combat on the market that only becomes good in competitive play. The SP being easy doesn’t make the turn based combat shitty. As you just said it becomes good in competitive play, which means the mechanics aren’t shitty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: The SP being easy doesn’t make the turn based combat shitty. As you just said it becomes good in competitive play, which means the mechanics aren’t shitty. Well, no. I don't think that way about it. For one, most battles in single-player are automatically 1v1, whereas multiplayer is 2v2. So it's like an entirely different game on that alone. Second, the reason the multiplayer "makes it good" has less to do with the mechanics and more to do with mind-games you'd get in any turn-based game. The game's too simple in all the wrong places and overcomplicated in just as many wrong places. Even with years of QoL updates, just getting set up to play the online is stupidly complicated compared to other competitive games, and when it comes to raw mechanics, stuff like Bravely Default just eats it for breakfast, lunch and dinner in every metric that I think can make a turn-based game fun, and I think would make a wildly entertaining multiplayer game if they could ever balance the damn thing around such a concept. The parts I like about Pokemon are less to do with raw battle mechanics and more to do with just the base satisfaction of capturing a lot of weird looking perverts and building a team. If there's one area Pokemon can't be touched in, it's customization of your team. Again, probably overcomplicated to being detrimental, but you customize two sets of stats, which monsters go in which slots, their held items, their movesets (which change based on the format, i.e. 1v1, 2v2, rotation, gimmick matches like ghost only, etc), their natures (which also affects stats), their more general ability that activates based on certain parameters... You can come up with a completely novel team and moveset no one's ever seen before and win tournaments with it, assuming no one has a good counter. I mean, you're not likely to be that good at all of it, but you can theoretically do it. And I think that part's real cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Realistically speaking, if we are talking about Best, he's a graphics whore first and foremost and Pokemon could have the greatest battle system of all time but he wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole because it looks like an N64 game (and the old ones an old GBA game). He's WAY more likely to play Palworld because it actually looks good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, Xbob42 said: Well, no. I don't think that way about it. For one, most battles in single-player are automatically 1v1, whereas multiplayer is 2v2. So it's like an entirely different game on that alone. Second, the reason the multiplayer "makes it good" has less to do with the mechanics and more to do with mind-games you'd get in any turn-based game. The game's too simple in all the wrong places and overcomplicated in just as many wrong places. Even with years of QoL updates, just getting set up to play the online is stupidly complicated compared to other competitive games, and when it comes to raw mechanics, stuff like Bravely Default just eats it for breakfast, lunch and dinner in every metric that I think can make a turn-based game fun, and I think would make a wildly entertaining multiplayer game if they could ever balance the damn thing around such a concept. The parts I like about Pokemon are less to do with raw battle mechanics and more to do with just the base satisfaction of capturing a lot of weird looking perverts and building a team. If there's one area Pokemon can't be touched in, it's customization of your team. Again, probably overcomplicated to being detrimental, but you customize two sets of stats, which monsters go in which slots, their held items, their movesets (which change based on the format, i.e. 1v1, 2v2, rotation, gimmick matches like ghost only, etc), their natures (which also affects stats), their more general ability that activates based on certain parameters... You can come up with a completely novel team and moveset no one's ever seen before and win tournaments with it, assuming no one has a good counter. I mean, you're not likely to be that good at all of it, but you can theoretically do it. And I think that part's real cool. If it were shitty it would be shitty 100% of the time. SP just has a lot less strategy/thought needed, but mplayer opens up what you can actually do in terms of depth due to a human opponent that’s not spamming worthless moves with a single Pokemon type and is prepped to counter various types. The mechanics are the same otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Realistically speaking, if we are talking about Best, he's a graphics whore first and foremost and Pokemon could have the greatest battle system of all time but he wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole because it looks like an N64 game (and the old ones an old GBA game). He's WAY more likely to play Palworld because it actually looks good. He could/should probably just figure out how to run it on an emulator on his steam deck then there’s nothing lost if he doesn’t like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 17 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: He could/should probably just figure out how to run it on an emulator on his steam deck then there’s nothing lost if he doesn’t like it Well you be his teacher this time. I'll sit this one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, Keyser_Soze said: Well you be his teacher this time. I'll sit this one out. I don’t have a deck so 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Well if we are just talking the battle system he can just go to the site I linked, no emulator needed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best3444 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Lol that was an interesting read. 🤣 I'll pass on Pokémon all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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