Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, SuperSpreader said: All you can do is isolate them until they fall apart on their own again. Now as our resident socialist I hate the Cold War and consider it a terrible time in human history but capitalists are gonna capitalist. That being said becausr of globalization it would be alot harder to do that. The USSR kinda bankrupted itself supporting it's armed forces. I am sure Putin is aware of that as an ex-KGB agent. In addition western Europe trades with Russia and China/Russia are buddying up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: The return to a natural international order that WW1 broke, with nukes. In honor of it being announced we should call this era "Victoria 3". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 Hard to say what credence this should be given...but if there's one thing Russia enjoys more than brutalizing others, it's infighting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, CitizenVectron said: Hard to say what credence this should be given...but if there's one thing Russia enjoys more than brutalizing others, it's infighting! The faces of most of the people in the Russian National Security Council meeting yesterday said as much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: So what's the new era called? We went from post-WWII to Cold War to post-Cold War...is this Cold War II? Or Great Powers Redux? Western Collapse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Chairslinger said: Western Collapse. That's been since GWB though, arguably Clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, Jason said: That's been since GWB though, arguably Clinton. That was the decline, we are heading towards the collapse now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, Chairslinger said: That was the decline, we are heading towards the collapse now. We've been in decline since the Korean War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jason said: We've been in decline since the Korean War. The decline of the Western Hemisphere has been since 1492 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Gonna be a muckety-muck in the gulag soon. Kremlin admits that a dramatic Security Council meeting on Ukraine was recorded in advance, after people realized a minister's watch showed the wrong time NEWS.YAHOO.COM Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday that recording meetings in advance is not unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, Jason said: We've been in decline since the Korean War. That was the slump, this was the decline, now it's the crevice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jason said: Gonna be a muckety-muck in the gulag soon. Kremlin admits that a dramatic Security Council meeting on Ukraine was recorded in advance, after people realized a minister's watch showed the wrong time NEWS.YAHOO.COM Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday that recording meetings in advance is not unusual. Putin's about to wish this guy well in his future endeavors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 You guys are really overplaying just how much the Kremlin really gives a rat's ass that they've been caught out on these deceptions. They don't care. They really, really don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadatog Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 If they don't care though, why even bother doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: You guys are really overplaying just how much the Kremlin really gives a rat's ass that they've been caught out on these deceptions. They don't care. They really, really don't care. Doesn't mean this guy doesn't get sent to the gulag for being a dumbass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: You guys are really overplaying just how much the Kremlin really gives a rat's ass that they've been caught out on these deceptions. They don't care. They really, really don't care. Russia cares about the fake appearance of legitimacy in the same way that a racist cares about the fake appearance of not being racist—neither care about the actual thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, Chadatog said: If they don't care though, why even bother doing it? These dog and pony shows aren't being done for the international audience - they are being done for internal consumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: You guys are really overplaying just how much the Kremlin really gives a rat's ass that they've been caught out on these deceptions. They don't care. They really, really don't care. Everyone knows the play is make believe, but an ego maniacal director will still eviscerate an actor that flubs his line. I know Russia doesn't care about its transparent lies. In fact, after the Trump years I don't know how people can be surprised by or really even blame Russians for buying it. Putin has things like authoritarian power over media. Trump proved you can do it with little more than grievance and willful ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chadatog said: If they don't care though, why even bother doing it? Just like Trump. The lie isn't to convince, it is to give those already on your side the permission structure to follow you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Chairslinger said: Just like Trump. The lie isn't to convince, it is to give those already on your side the permission structure to follow you. Reactionary right wing conservatives found an international home in Moscow. its 1848 forever we just don’t realize it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zaku3 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Just like Trump. The lie isn't to convince, it is to give those already on your side the permission structure to follow you. It's also to spread a bit of FUD as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Finnish leftist clearly explains to other severely confused "anti-imperialist" leftists that the Kremlin's actions do indeed constitute "imperialism" lest there be any doubts about that: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 The US and EU appear to have a matching sanctions regime. I'm guessing that the SWIFT "nuclear option" will be held in reserve for the invasion of Ukrainian territory outside of the Donetsk and Luhansk region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Get them with SWIFT sanctions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Get them with SWIFT sanctions That one really has to be held in reserve for as long as possible as it WILL have serious financial blowback on the US and EU in the interim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: That one really has to be held in reserve for as long as possible as it WILL have serious financial blowback on the US and EU in the interim. If done we’d really need to simultaneously cut them off of the internet because I’d be convinced that widespread and damaging hacking attacks would be the counter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Oh...this is new. This means that any financial institutions holding those bonds are going to have to write-down their book value. In fact, this means that the FMV of the bonds is effectively zero because there's no way to establish their FMV through trading. Granted, Russia doesn't have that much sovereign debt outstanding (about $478 billion), but still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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