CitizenVectron Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Right out of the (actual) Nazi playbook. The first step of a Biden admin should be to dismantled ICE and begin prosecution of the thousands involved in its actions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 No no you see we're not using the literal exact same methods and surgical tools as the Nazis so it's not concentration camps how dare you disrespect the dead Jews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 What in the heck? I'm skeptical of this just because it's so absolutely preposterously evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Joe said: What in the heck? I'm skeptical of this just because it's so absolutely preposterously evil. http://www.independent.co.uk//img/shortcut-icons/icon-192x192.png Immigrants being doused in toxic industrial disinfectant at Trump-funded ICE detention center over Covid, activists say WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK Revealed: Detainees at the Adelanto facility in California have allegedly had chemicals being sprayed every 20-30 minutes in close proximity and, at times, directly at them This matches so much other shit that we already know, like how they've been basically gassing people. The headline is about spraying them, but there's no ventilation, so they also wind up sucking in tons of noxious fumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Right out of the (actual) Nazi playbook. The first step of a Biden admin should be to dismantled ICE and begin prosecution of the thousands involved in its actions. I'm being should trump leave office, he issues blanket pardons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 Holocaust deniers say stuff like "There's no way it could have happened because the German people would have known and been outraged." Seeing how this is basically completely uncovered or cared about in the US today...I'd say that argument is moot. Not that people are being mass-executed in the US at these facilities...but if they were, you think there wouldn't be a 30-40% chunk of the population who would support it, and another 20-30% who wouldn't care too much as long as it didn't affect them personally? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I think we are the baddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Holocaust deniers say stuff like "There's no way it could have happened because the German people would have known and been outraged." Seeing how this is basically completely uncovered or cared about in the US today...I'd say that argument is moot. Not that people are being mass-executed in the US at these facilities...but if they were, you think there wouldn't be a 30-40% chunk of the population who would support it, and another 20-30% who wouldn't care too much as long as it didn't affect them personally? Well yeah, but there is definitely a difference between how many sources we have for the Holocaust obviously having happened and this story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, Joe said: Well yeah, but there is definitely a difference between how many sources we have for the Holocaust obviously having happened and this story. They're gassing the inmates. Tons of kids have "gone missing" and it's documented that they're keeping kids in hotels in situations that are prime setups for the ICE guards raping the kids. But this is dubious to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: They're gassing the inmates. Tons of kids have "gone missing" and it's documented that they're keeping kids in hotels in situations that are prime setups for the ICE guards raping the kids. But this is dubious to you? Yes? That doesn't mean it's not true, just that I want further confirmation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Quote “...the dentist suggested detainees could use string from their socks to floss if they were dedicated to dental hygiene.”-DHS Office of Inspector General Report, September 27, 2018 Quote “One woman held at a detention facility in Washington said she was raped by a medical worker and a private facility contractor after she had sought help in the center’s medical unit. ” -Alice Speri, April 11, 2018 Detained: Abuse and Mistreatment in ICE Detention Centers - Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal JAYAPAL.HOUSE.GOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: Detained: Abuse and Mistreatment in ICE Detention Centers - Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal JAYAPAL.HOUSE.GOV These stories are horrible and a lot more believable than freaking uterus harvesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe said: These stories are horrible and a lot more believable than freaking uterus harvesting. I doubt they're keeping the uteruses, they're probably just sterilizing these women. Genocide 101. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 The news story only mentions 5 women who had the procedure done to them. Seems like you would need an independent medical review of these cases to determine if it was proper medical decisions. Seems a bit quick to say ICE is doing mass hysterectomies based on the content of the complaint. 9 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Not that people are being mass-executed in the US at these facilities...but if they were, you think there wouldn't be a 30-40% chunk of the population who would support it, and another 20-30% who wouldn't care too much as long as it didn't affect them personally? No, and this is a really bad take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: I doubt they're keeping the uteruses, they're probably just sterilizing these women. Genocide 101. Dude, you're nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe said: Dude, you're nuts. People have tried to tell me this at every step of the way with this entire concentration camp story (including calling them concentration camps back early on in finding out about the detention centers) because people desperately don't want to believe we're actually running concentration camps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, sblfilms said: The news story only mentions 5 women who had the procedure done to them. Seems like you would need an independent medical review of these cases to determine if it was proper medical decisions. Seems a bit quick to say ICE is doing mass hysterectomies based on the content of the complaint. 26 minutes ago, Jason said: http://www.independent.co.uk//img/shortcut-icons/icon-192x192.png Immigrants being doused in toxic industrial disinfectant at Trump-funded ICE detention center over Covid, activists say WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK Revealed: Detainees at the Adelanto facility in California have allegedly had chemicals being sprayed every 20-30 minutes in close proximity and, at times, directly at them This matches so much other shit that we already know, like how they've been basically gassing people. The headline is about spraying them, but there's no ventilation, so they also wind up sucking in tons of noxious fumes. "Let's not jump to conclusions, it's unreasonable to call this gassing the inmates since it's not literally a gas chamber like the Nazis used." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, Jason said: People have tried to tell me this at every step of the way with this entire concentration camp story (including calling them concentration camps back early on in finding out about the detention centers) because people desperately don't want to believe we're actually running concentration camps. I don't even dispute the notion that they're concentration camps or that the conditions are abysmal, but this thread shows how insane Trump has made some of you and it's sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 We're running concentration camps and what's sad is being upset about the concentration camps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 This may have happened, or not, I don't know, but I do know that these people at ICE do not deserve the benefit of the doubt, and that we won't be able to get a full accounting of the facts at least a few years into a hypothetical Biden presidency, if ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jason said: "Let's not jump to conclusions, it's unreasonable to call this gassing the inmates since it's not literally a gas chamber like the Nazis used." https://www.miamiherald.com/news/special-reports/florida-prisons/article188085574.html This is similar to shit that happens in prisons too. It's horrible and should not be made light of, but it's nowhere near on the same scale as forced hysterectomies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason said: "Let's not jump to conclusions, it's unreasonable to call this gassing the inmates since it's not literally a gas chamber like the Nazis used." Women get hysterectomies for reasons other than sterilization schemes. The complaint only cites 5 women who had the procedure done, and 1 woman who allegedly had the wrong ovary removed during a procedure. The balance of the complaint is really about poor communication with women about why they were having medical procedures done. Again, an independent review of the medical files should make it clear whether these procedures were appropriate medically or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexy_shapiro Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I find it completely unbelievable that the US government would force minority women into having hysterectomies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said: I find it completely unbelievable that the US government would force minority women into having hysterectomies. That's pretty freaking crazy. Thank you for that info! I think that's pretty different to what is being presented here, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe said: That's pretty freaking crazy. Thank you for that info! I think that's pretty different to what is being presented here, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jason said: The data was much more convincing for that case and sterilization of their race was actually a legitimate possibility, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 How about, nothing has been beyond the pale for this administration thus far, and so such a claim deserves intense scrutiny and a real commitment to investigating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, sexy_shapiro said: I find it completely unbelievable that the US government would force minority women into having hysterectomies. The primary issue facing the majority of the sterilization in the IHS was that sterilization were recommended to native women when the same wouldn’t have been the case for white women for example. There were also some cases where doctors were alleged to have advised that the procedures were reversible. In a much smaller number of cases they were performing these procedures on minors, which is nearly completely indefensible medically. But we know this is true because there were independent reviews of the medical files of the patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 What the actual fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 It should be noted that unequal medical care on racial and ethnic lines, particularly reproductive care, is basically a staple of American society. Minority women are much more likely to be offered hysterectomies by their doctors than white women, and at earlier ages. So I don’t find the notion to be out of step with our history and present state, but we had literally one data point who notes only a few actual cases of what she is alleging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 36 minutes ago, sblfilms said: It should be noted that unequal medical care on racial and ethnic lines, particularly reproductive care, is basically a staple of American society. Minority women are much more likely to be offered hysterectomies by their doctors than white women, and at earlier ages Additionally, Racial Disparities Persist in Maternal Morbidity, Mortality and Infant Health WWW.AJMC.COM American women die in childbirth at a higher rate than in any other developed country, while non-Hispanic Black women are more than 3 times more likely to have a maternal death than... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Right out of the (actual) Nazi playbook. The first step of a Biden admin should be to dismantled ICE and begin prosecution of the thousands involved in its actions. Shut down facebook first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShreddieMercury Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Conservative Evangelical Asks God To Give Her Strength To Incorporate Forced Hysterectomies Into Belief System WWW.THEONION.COM CORDOVA, TN—Praying that the Lord Almighty would help her understand the recent whistleblower reports about Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s treatment of migrant detainees, conservative evangelical woman Melissa Carson reportedly asked God Tuesday to give her strength to incorporate forced hysterectomies into her belief system. “Lord, show me how the forced removal of the uterus from multiple... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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