Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Allegedly the call between Scheer and Trudeau last night was...less than friendly. What's the scoop on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: What's the scoop on it? "I'm not your buddy, guy!" "I'm not your guy, friend!" Truly a low point in Canadian politics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 37 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: What's the scoop on it? Apparently Scheer was a dick (he hates Trudeau and truly thought he was going to win), and so Trudeau then started his victory speech 15 seconds after Scheer started his concession speech, making all of the national coverage switch to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilentWorld Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: Lolno. This is gonna be canada’s Obama moment and next election the conservatives will have a firey ball of rage as their leader. And they’ll win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 So the Conservatives actually won the popular vote, but the Liberals won more ridings allowing them to win? Hmm after the electoral college bullshit that allowed Trump to win, and how I've said that America needs to adopt a winner by popular vote system (although not a winner take all approach), I'm conflicted how I feel about this when a similar thing just happened to us to prevent a right wing shit bag like Sheer from winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brick said: So the Conservatives actually won the popular vote, but the Liberals won more ridings allowing them to win? Hmm after the electoral college bullshit that allowed Trump to win, and how I've said that America needs to adopt a winner by popular vote system (although not a winner take all approach), I'm conflicted how I feel about this when a similar thing just happened to us to prevent a right wing shit bag like Sheer to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Brick said: So the Conservatives actually won the popular vote, but the Liberals won more ridings allowing them to win? Hmm after the electoral college bullshit that allowed Trump to win, and how I've said that America needs to adopt a winner by popular vote system (although not a winner take all approach), I'm conflicted how I feel about this when a similar thing just happened to us to prevent a right wing shit bag like Sheer to lose. Our situation is much better though, as we elect a parliament, not a Prime Minister. It is more similar to how the GOP in the US can win more seats in the House there while losing the popular vote to the Democrats. The difference, of course, is that gerrymandering is a real problem in the US, while in Canada it is not (except that some smaller provinces like PEI have more seats per capita than others). Having said that, because we have more viable parties now, we really do need some form of proportional representation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, Brick said: So the Conservatives actually won the popular vote, but the Liberals won more ridings allowing them to win? Hmm after the electoral college bullshit that allowed Trump to win, and how I've said that America needs to adopt a winner by popular vote system (although not a winner take all approach), I'm conflicted how I feel about this when a similar thing just happened to us to prevent a right wing shit bag like Sheer to lose. Iirc conservatives got ~35% of the vote but lpc+greens+ndp ("the left"-ish, generally) got like 55% or so. Which is great since they have a parliamentary system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Our situation is much better though, as we elect a parliament, not a Prime Minister. It is more similar to how the GOP in the US can win more seats in the House there while losing the popular vote to the Democrats. The difference, of course, is that gerrymandering is a real problem in the US, while in Canada it is not (except that some smaller provinces like PEI have more seats per capita than others). Having said that, because we have more viable parties now, we really do need some form of proportional representation. Oh absolutely our system is much better. Could use some tweaks of course, but it's much better than the American system. More proportional representation would be nice so that no matter what party you vote for at least that will help them get more seats, rather than how it is now in that you have to hope your choice party wins in your area, otherwise your vote counts for nothing. That's why strategic voting happens, and why I voted Liberal to prevent the Conservatives winning in my area, rather than voting for Singh who I preferred as the better candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 I think this is probably right. I can't see the NDP bringing down the government anytime soon since they are so broke. I think we're in for at least two years of minority rule, and likely at least 3. If the CPC replace Scheer then they will also want to delay any confidence vote with the Bloc and NDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Bots are starting to fan western separatism, and it's working. I don't think it will go anywhere, but it is going to completely entrench the Conservative base, which will mean they will not adapt with a proper climate plan, etc. Also, people from AB are now attacking people from Newfoundland online for some reason, even though both provinces are quite similar...except that NFLD elected Liberals: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 My cousin is having a complete melt down and is seriously considering moving to the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: My cousin is having a complete melt down and is seriously considering moving to the US. Lol why? So he can live in a conservative paradise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 The internet was a mistake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Also keep in mind that the conservatives ruled Canada for 10 years prior to Trudeau, with a government based in Alberta that ride the global oil wave and did nothing to prepare for the inevitable downturn. But now after 4 years of Liberal rule they are babies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 They are also saying that since the Liberals didn't get seats in two provinces (AB and SK) they don't have legitimacy. But the conservatives also didn't elect any MPs in 2 provinces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: They are also saying that since the Liberals didn't get seats in two provinces (AB and SK) they don't have legitimacy. But the conservatives also didn't elect any MPs in 2 provinces. You have now entered the "there are different rules for conservatives, as told by conservatives" phase of Western democracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 35 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Lol why? So he can live in a conservative paradise? I think he'd define that as a state with guns and weed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 Sad. and people wonder why it's hard to get (and keep) women in politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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