elbobo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 We really going to do more Badmirals/Starfleet is taken over? I feel this plot device has crossed the line from trope to lazy and it probably did so 5 bad admirals ago, we even had one in season 1 of Picard and one in the latest season of Lower Decks. Raffi remains the worst, her scenes just suck the life out the show and even Worf can't save them. Still curious to see what the deal with Jack is, lots of directions they can take that, hopeful for a good payoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I think Raffi has been great, and im absolutely fine with Changeling infiltration. The idea that all the changelings just left after the war is a little far fetched. I always wondered what the future of the changelings would be. Though I’m not sure I like their evolution, but whatever, they aren’t even close to humanoid, who’s to say what form their evolution took? I like Raffi and Worf. I agree it would be better without her, and with Cabrera still in the show instead. I think Rios and Worf would have been much more interesting together. I also think Rios and Seven would have made a more interesting couple. i would give anything for a mini series on DS9. I don’t even need anything with all of the Original cast, I just want to see the future of the wormhole and the Station. Especially if it was with Behr show running. Just a 8-10 episode story on the promenade. Maybe Bring back one character (I think Visitor would do it), some cameos, but just do a real, hopeful star wars story on the space station, wormhole and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Also, does Jack maybe have some kind of “Borg DNA”? Maybe they didn’t have Shaw bring up Locutus for nothing? Is it the reason for Jacks weird visions and sudden incredible reflexes? Im just lost. Also, I like Shaw. Hes an interesting counterpoint to Riker/Picard. I like hearing him call them on their shit lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 SO many emotional beats in this episode. LEGIT, now that TLoU is over, THIS SHOW is my most anticipated week to week (in all sincerity, after the inaugural episode of this season, I have felt this way but it only become more pronounced after watching this weeks' episode!) I absolutely got choked up & failed miserably at fighting back tears twice in this episode, those that have seen will know which moments. JFC I don't know if I ever loved Trek THIS much or if the nostalgia is hitting me so fucking hard, either way I despise that this is the final season but what a way to go out right? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Also, let's give it up for Kirk Acevedo showing up as well, I've enjoyed this actors work since the first season of 'OZ', always awesome to see him pop up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 6 hours ago, SoberChef said: SO many emotional beats in this episode. LEGIT, now that TLoU is over, THIS SHOW is my most anticipated week to week (in all sincerity, after the inaugural episode of this season, I have felt this way but it only become more pronounced after watching this weeks' episode!) I absolutely got choked up & failed miserably at fighting back tears twice in this episode, those that have seen will know which moments. JFC I don't know if I ever loved Trek THIS much or if the nostalgia is hitting me so fucking hard, either way I despise that this is the final season but what a way to go out right? It just feels so good to have a season done by people who love trek and understand what made the cast of TNG great. Also, Acevedo isn’t in nearly enough projects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 True story about Acevedo for real though! His death scene in 'The Thin Red Line' ... FUCK! So damn amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, SoberChef said: True story about Acevedo for real though! His death scene in 'The Thin Red Line' ... FUCK! So damn amazing. Like you, I discovered him in Oz (JK Simmons as well), and have followed his career since. It shocks me he’s not a bigger name. He did a great job as a criminal Vulcan though. “That…. Would be logical.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 A Vulcan Crimelord is fucking genius & shockingly has never been done before ... it's actually illogical that it is only now when it has been done & by such a fantastic actor. You're not wrong about him being criminally underused in literally everything. OZ was not only so far ahead of its time, but seriously highlighted so many NY based actors & gave so many a real opportunity. I'll always hold that show near & dear to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 speculation about characters seen the in the trailer but not on the show yet stole this from reddit. The AI guarding Daystrom is going to be Lore and the program that the Vulcn crime boss provided will be Moriarty since he can beat Data he should be able to beat Lore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, SoberChef said: A Vulcan Crimelord is fucking genius & shockingly has never been done before ... it's actually illogical that it is only now when it has been done & by such a fantastic actor. You're not wrong about him being criminally underused in literally everything. OZ was not only so far ahead of its time, but seriously highlighted so many NY based actors & gave so many a real opportunity. I'll always hold that show near & dear to me. There was Menos. He wasn't exactly a crime lord, but he was a Smuggler. There has been mention of other Vulcan criminals (spocks brother) as well. 26 minutes ago, elbobo said: speculation about characters seen the in the trailer but on the show yet Hide contents stole this from reddit. The AI guarding Daystrom is going to be Lore and the program that the Vulcn crime boss provided will be Moriarty since he can beat Data he should be able to beat Lore Spoiler I actually really like that idea, but there's no way Starfleet ever trusted Lore enough to protect Daystrom. I could very well be wrong, but it's hard to see how they get to a place where Starfleet trusts lore that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 9 hours ago, elbobo said: speculation about characters seen the in the trailer but not on the show yet Hide contents stole this from reddit. The AI guarding Daystrom is going to be Lore and the program that the Vulcn crime boss provided will be Moriarty since he can beat Data he should be able to beat Lore 9 hours ago, BloodyHell said: There was Menos. He wasn't exactly a crime lord, but he was a Smuggler. There has been mention of other Vulcan criminals (spocks brother) as well. Hide contents I actually really like that idea, but there's no way Starfleet ever trusted Lore enough to protect Daystrom. I could very well be wrong, but it's hard to see how they get to a place where Starfleet trusts lore that much. It’s possible it might be the other way around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 18 hours ago, SoberChef said: SO many emotional beats in this episode. LEGIT, now that TLoU is over, THIS SHOW is my most anticipated week to week (in all sincerity, after the inaugural episode of this season, I have felt this way but it only become more pronounced after watching this weeks' episode!) I absolutely got choked up & failed miserably at fighting back tears twice in this episode, those that have seen will know which moments. JFC I don't know if I ever loved Trek THIS much or if the nostalgia is hitting me so fucking hard, either way I despise that this is the final season but what a way to go out right? After episode 4 my opinion was basically that people need to stop worrying about whether s3 would be any good at all, and start considering how it might stack up against the best seasons of Star Trek ever. If it can end as strong as it started, I think I would put it up there somewhere with TNG s3-6 and DS9 s5-7. 18 hours ago, SoberChef said: Also, let's give it up for Kirk Acevedo showing up as well, I've enjoyed this actors work since the first season of 'OZ', always awesome to see him pop up! 11 hours ago, BloodyHell said: It just feels so good to have a season done by people who love trek and understand what made the cast of TNG great. Also, Acevedo isn’t in nearly enough projects. Has anyone else here watched the 12 Monkey's series? Terry Matalas was a showrunner for that, as well. At this point s3 almost feels like an unofficial reunion for that show. Shaw, Sneed, and Krinn were all main cast members on the show(as was Picard's father from last season.). Really interested to see if Amanda Schull, Emily Hampshire, or Brooke Williams show up at some point. Also, it is probably just convergent art/direction style from Matalas but the Red Forest from 12 Monkey's seems very reminiscent of whatever is happening to Jack, and tell me if this bad guy mask/outfit from 12 Monkey's doesn't look a little familiar...... Spoiler And as a side note, that big guy behind Vadic is looking like he is going to be introduced next week(guess work from a close watch of some of the previews) as muscle. Looking like he might be the Beta to Vadic's Alpha. Will be funny if it turns out to be Tom Noonan as he played a similar role in 12 Monkeys and is also a very tall man. To bring it back to what I said at the top. With such a strong start to the season I am pretty confident that we will get a strong ending. I think the endings for s1 and s2 were pretty good to begin with(the moments with Data and Q respectively are some of my favorites in all of New Trek....it was the getting there that had some questionable moments). Also, 12 Monkey's had a very strong ending, so that bodes well for the show, as well. Terry Matalas is giving me big Manny Coto season 4 of Enterprise vibes right now. I am really impressed with what he is doing and it should be a no brainer to put him in charge of at least one show going forward imho. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 lol I can't believe they literally did Ricardo Diaz (the Arrow season 6-7 villain) but Vulcan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 hours ago, Jason said: lol I can't believe they literally did Ricardo Diaz (the Arrow season 6-7 villain) but Vulcan I mean, pretending its Ricardo Diaz is a bit ridiculous. The only two things the characters have in common is that they are criminals and have the same actor. if yhats the case, Ricardo Diaz is just Miguel Diaz with super powers. They even have the same last name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I think this was my least favorite episode of the season so far, not anywhere near season 1 and 2 bad but off the mark compared to the rest of 3. The dialogue seemed to drift back into the waxing poetic nature that we were burdened with in the first two seasons. Also REALLY not a fan of bring "Data" back again, how many times do they have to kill him off to kill him for good? They are going to go max fan service if the fleet parade takes place back at the fleet museum. The gang is going to have use all the old ships that aren't networked together to get around whatever the plot obstacle is in the finale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I liked it a lot, but still agree it was worst of the season. I have some thoughts for sure, but ill get into them after when I’m at my laptop. I really have no problem with it, we learned a lot more, the story doesn’t feel rushed, I thought most of the reveals were good. I wish we got a little more history on this group of changelings after the Dominion War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I don’t even care about the plot so much after two crap seasons. I’m just so giddy with them being on an actual damn starship and all my friends are back! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberChef Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 To echo what the Pickled Captain had to say, I too am at the point where I just want a shot of all of MY old crew together one last time. Also, anyone else having joyful cries watching this show versus the ugly tears at every turn of TLoU!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 A comment and a reply from reddit: Quote I can't decide if the show is disappearing up its own ass with too much nostalgia, or if it's just a lot of Easter eggs. Quote Quote I can't decide if the show is disappearing up its own ass with too much nostalgia, or if it's just a lot of Easter eggs. On paper: it absolutely should be. But in execution, it all inexplicably works so long as you pair it with the notion that this really is a genuine 'victory lap' of a final season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pickle Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 8 hours ago, SoberChef said: To echo what the Pickled Captain had to say, I too am at the point where I just want a shot of all of MY old crew together one last time. Also, anyone else having joyful cries watching this show versus the ugly tears at every turn of TLoU!? Absolutely loving the joyful cries! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted 20 minutes ago Share Posted 20 minutes ago Hope they don't drag the rest of the mystery boxes out until the finale. At least we know what is up with Vadik and the other changelings now and that their boss is not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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