Microsoft Starfield - Information Thread, update (06/09): "Shattered Space" expansion trailer

[Xbob42]

So I assume they tried to stifle "Skyrimming" up hills. You know, where you just press against an angled surface and spam jump? Well they did a bad job, now your character refuses to jump for what can feel like no reason if on an angled surface... or they might jump anyway! Or maybe they'll jump on a third press without you moving at all. It's so weird. It's especially bad because it makes the boost pack feel useless if you're trying to scale a hill and it's just a tad too steep. You can still do it, but it's a lot more annoying. Also the default speed for boost pack recharge is ridiculously slow. It should just recharge instantly the second you touch the ground, like a normal game.

[Kal-El814]

13 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Your encumbrance is listed in your status screen. I think it's called Mass or something... took me awhile to figure it out too.

 

Yeah it's listed there, but if you're looting a body or want to pick something up from the environment, where you're at / where you'll be encumbrance-wise isn't listed.

 

If I was REALLY gonna pick nits I'd call out how the game calls encumbrance "Mass" but when you soft inventory it's by "Weight" but... who has the time.

[skillzdadirecta]

1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Yeah it's listed there, but if you're looting a body or want to pick something up from the environment, where you're at / where you'll be encumbrance-wise isn't listed.

I don't think ANY of their games have this. I'm trying to think what games do. Do the Souls games have this displayed in the HUD?  I don't remember. I'm pretty sure Remnant doesn't. 

[BloodyHell]

3 hours ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

LB button in your inventory menu on the ship, only shows up while on ship and is connected to your storage back at home base. Any jet pack that says boost will give you boost, the one you get at the start is just training wheels. Ships you can buy from the ship yard store at most ship yard in the major towns. Don’t bother trying for a new ship until you have around 250K credits because ships south of that aren’t as good as the starter ship.

You also need the jetpack perk.

[BloodyHell]

8 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

I don't think ANY of their games have this. I'm trying to think what games do. Do the Souls games have this displayed in the HUD?  I don't remember. I'm pretty sure Remnant doesn't. 

Nah. Souls you just know you’re encumbered when you fat roll.

[Kal-El814]

11 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

I don't think ANY of their games have this. I'm trying to think what games do. Do the Souls games have this displayed in the HUD?  I don't remember. I'm pretty sure Remnant doesn't. 

You can pull it up in Baldur’s Gate 3 for sure 

[Best]

8 minutes ago, BloodyHell said:

You also need the jetpack perk.

 

Yea and I had to google that in order for me to figure that out. 

[Best]

Boy, I'm reading some really nitpicking stuff in here lol. 

[Xbob42]

18 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

I don't think ANY of their games have this. I'm trying to think what games do. Do the Souls games have this displayed in the HUD?  I don't remember. I'm pretty sure Remnant doesn't. 

Their literal previous game had this:

 

[Xbob42]

1 minute ago, best3444 said:

Boy, I'm reading some really nitpicking stuff in here lol. 

We're all still waiting for you to get to the part of the best-plays-a-game cycle where you end up eventually agreeing with us!

[BloodyHell]

1 minute ago, best3444 said:

Boy, I'm reading some really nitpicking stuff in here lol. 

All valid criticisms. The game has tons of small problems. It also never feels like im actually exploring space.

[Xbob42]

Just now, BloodyHell said:

All valid criticisms. The game has tons of small problems. It also never feels like im actually exploring space.

My space ship basically feels like a fancy loading screen, lol.

[Best]

1 minute ago, Xbob42 said:

We're all still waiting for you to get to the part of the best-plays-a-game cycle where you end up eventually agreeing with us!

 

Lol. I'm only playing the game has flaws for sure. I'm just glad I'm having fun with it regardless. 

[BloodyHell]

Just now, Xbob42 said:

My space ship basically feels like a fancy loading screen, lol.

Loading screen and limited ripoff of XWing vs Tie Fighter.

[skillzdadirecta]

3 minutes ago, Xbob42 said:

Their literal previous game had this:

 

 

 

Time to let you guys have at it. I'm out.

 

 

[BloodyHell]

2 minutes ago, best3444 said:

 

Lol. I'm only playing the game has flaws for sure. I'm just glad I'm having fun with it regardless. 

It’s definitely fun. It just seems BGS refuses to move forward with modern games design principles. 
 

Games like this started out complex because nobody understood how to do them. We’ve learned since then, but they haven’t changed.

[Best]

Why can't Bethesda have better character models? Aren't they worth millions and millions of dollars? Wtf the characters look like they were made out of play-doh.  

 

Then you have Naughty Dog character models from last gen that look almost real. I just don't understand it.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

5 minutes ago, best3444 said:

Why can't Bethesda have better character models? Aren't they worth millions and millions of dollars? Wtf the characters look like they were made out of play-doh. 

 

That's due to the procedural generation of the non-main character NPCs.

 

The main character NPCs look better because those are crafted.

[skillzdadirecta]

3 minutes ago, best3444 said:

 

Then you have Naughty Dog character models from last gen that look almost real. I just don't understand it.

naughty dog made an open world game with procedural generation? How did I miss this?!

[BloodyHell]

5 minutes ago, best3444 said:

Why can't Bethesda have better character models? Aren't they worth millions and millions of dollars? Wtf the characters look like they were made out of play-doh.  

 

Then you have Naughty Dog character models from last gen that look almost real. I just don't understand it.

I mean, I literally don’t care about that. Character models are the last thing they need to change.

Combat, menus, everything. The graphics are fine.

also, different games.

[Bacon]

17 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

That's due to the procedural generation of the non-main character NPCs.

 

The main character NPCs look better because those are crafted.

I think even the main characters have this skin-suit look going on. Like, I expect lizard people to bust out any minute.

[Best]

I got it. Believe me the character models aren't remotely ruining my experience I was just curious. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

4 minutes ago, Bacon said:

I think even the main characters have this skin-suit look going on. Like, I expect lizard people to bust out any minute.

 

I don't mean to imply that the main character models are actually "good", only that they're "better" than the procedurally-generated ones!

[Bacon]

Well, if you say so.

[Best]

So if Naughty Dog created an open world type game like this the characters would look like dog shit too?

[Kal-El814]

I feel like somewhat shitty looking NPCs are a fine compromise when it comes to making city areas feel like a lot of people live there. Oblivion's "big cities" felt like they had 10 people living in them and some towns in Skyrim were barely any better. I'd like to have it all, but hey, whatever.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

9 minutes ago, best3444 said:

So if Naughty Dog created an open world type game like this the characters would look like dog shit too?

 

Relative to how their characters look in their linear, cinematic games?  Yes - they'd absolutely look like "dog shit" and they should look that way because anything else would be an absolutely ridiculous waste of development resources.

[Best]

I will say the cities in this game are very lively with a smooth framerate so that is a positive. 😀 

 

I was crossing a bridge and I looked down and saw many NPC'S walking around with no pop in etc. 

[Air_Delivery]

10 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

Relative to how their characters look in their linear, cinematic games?  Yes - they'd absolutely look like "dog shit" and they should look that way because anything else would be an absolutely ridiculous waste of development resources.

The NPCs in Baldurs Gate 3 express emotion far better than any Bethesda game

[skillzdadirecta]

10 minutes ago, best3444 said:

 

I was crossing a bridge and I looked down and saw many NPC'S walking around with no pop in etc. 

Possible because the NPC's look like "dog-shit". 

[stepee]

Just now, skillzdadirecta said:

Possible because the NPC's look like "dog-shit". 

 

How are you liking the game so far?

[Best]

Just now, skillzdadirecta said:

Possible because the NPC's look like "dog-shit". 

 

Dog shit was me being sarcastic. They are passable for looking human. I'm only nitpicking at the character models, too. Everyone else has their complaints and I do too. 

[stepee]

Y’all too much, I just want skillz impressions 

[Bacon]

2 minutes ago, stepee said:

Y’all too much, I just want skillz impressions 

No. You'll just get my impressions that I have obtained while watching moonmoon.

[stepee]

Just now, Bacon said:

No. You'll just get my impressions that I have obtained while watching moonmoon.

 

I want to throw you into a fire pit, like the end of a volcano