Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 A Sanders vs Bloomberg finale is an anti-Semite's dream come true: a globalist Jewish financier versus a godless Jewish socialist. Steve Bannon would be shooting massive amounts of rope at the very thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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baconbits Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: Since 2015, Bernie has been written off as "unelectable" because he didn't have minority support yet they sure as hell don't say the same for Pete or Amy. They definitely mention their polling with minority support being low but it's not a "campaign-ending"/"unelectable" narrative that they've pushed on Sanders these last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: I mean not really. It's impossible to know how many of that 25% and 21% will go to Bernie when those two candidates inevitably drop out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jose said: I mean not really. It's impossible to know how many of that 25% and 21% will go to Bernie when those two candidates inevitably drop out. I thought it read that of the 81% who said yes, 26% were Bernie supporters, 23 Buttigieg, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, SaysWho? said: I thought it read that of the 81% who said yes, 26% were Bernie supporters, 23 Buttigieg, etc. Right, but the ratio to yes/no is the key component here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jose said: Right, but the ratio to yes/no is the key component here. It reads to me like none of the other top candidates in NH are much different from Sanders' voters in this regard. Couple this with more of them in 2016 voting Hillary than 2008 Hillary voters voting McCain, and I feel like this narrative is baseless and just a way to make people hate his supporters and thus him. There's no real difference is what I'm seeing in the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: It reads to me like none of the other top candidates in NH are much different from Sanders' voters in this regard. Couple this with more of them in 2016 voting Hillary than 2008 Hillary voters voting McCain, and I feel like this narrative is baseless and just a way to make people hate his supporters and thus him. There's no real difference is what I'm seeing in the numbers. I'm just saying those numbers don't prove or disprove anything. Lopez thinks it undercuts that claim, but I think it does nothing for the claim either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 People will vote for who they want to, we have to stop thinking we can tell people how to vote, this "vote blue no matter who!" shit doesn't work. "Get out the vote!" campaigns become a joke when there's fine print that states, "...unless you vote against who we want, then it's all your fault they lost!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Plus that question is doing a lot of work. What if Bloomberg or Tulsi is the candidate? But people are reading it as "what if Pete or Bernie or Amy is the nominee" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 The shade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 30 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: It reads to me like none of the other top candidates in NH are much different from Sanders' voters in this regard. Couple this with more of them in 2016 voting Hillary than 2008 Hillary voters voting McCain, and I feel like this narrative is baseless and just a way to make people hate his supporters and thus him. There's no real difference is what I'm seeing in the numbers. Also, I keep hearing people cite these statistics, so I am going to go ahead and nip it in the bud. Citing the 10% of Bernie supporters that went to Trump isn't telling the whole story. What about Jill Stein? She tripled her 2012 numbers. Anecdotally, I know a Bernie supporter that went for Stein. Gary Johnson also did way better. Plus, we don't know how many Bernie supporters just decided to stay home. A way more likely outcome than voting for Trump. Not that any of this matters! Just seeing those statistics thrown around lately is really grinding my gears lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 You can also include 9.2% percent of Obama voters that flipped to support Trump, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html lesson of the day: Hillary was a shitty candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, baconbits said: You can also include 9.2% percent of Obama voters that flipped to support Trump, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html lesson of the day: Hillary was a shitty candidate. I may be on an island here: I think Hillary was a great candidate, but she was hated or disliked by many. I think there is a distinction in that, although in politics they are often one and the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 My God - don't you liberals ever get tired of going over the same well-worn ground over and over and over again? It's no wonder you all keep losing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, SFLUFAN said: My God - don't you liberals ever get tired of going over the same worn ground over and over and over again? It's no wonder you all keep losing. I didn't bring it up, coño! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 48 minutes ago, Jose said: Also, I keep hearing people cite these statistics, so I am going to go ahead and nip it in the bud. Citing the 10% of Bernie supporters that went to Trump isn't telling the whole story. What about Jill Stein? She tripled her 2012 numbers. Anecdotally, I know a Bernie supporter that went for Stein. Gary Johnson also did way better. Plus, we don't know how many Bernie supporters just decided to stay home. A way more likely outcome than voting for Trump. Not that any of this matters! Just seeing those statistics thrown around lately is really grinding my gears lol. Hey, that ain't telling the whole story either. He numbers tripled -- they were low to begin with. Tiny. How many Republicans voted Johnson? We're just assuming who might have stayed home, but overwhelming claims require overwhelming evidence, the combination of Obama->Trump voters and Hillary->McCain voters both show that there is no extraordinary evidence of his supporters being much different, or how many of them who sat out even typically vote Democratic anyway. tbh, judging from many things I've seen, I'm more concerned of the "votebluenomatterwho" people who are also never Bernie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 They were tiny, but she nearly gained a million voters. Might have been the decider in a lot of places. But we are in agreement that we don't really know, so best to let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 What if Jimmy Carter enters as the dark horse candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: What if Jimmy Carter enters as the dark horse candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Guys, what do you think went wrong with the 2016 election? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, stepee said: Guys, what do you think went wrong with the 2016 election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 A brokered convention will indeed be a mess created by the party itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The DNC needs to just go back to making deals in smoke filled rooms to figure out who the candidate will be like they did prior to the 70s. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/482607-klobuchar-we-need-to-build-a-big-tent-for-anti-abortion-democrats Quote Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) on Tuesday said that the Democratic Party should be a "big tent" for people of different beliefs, including those who oppose abortion rights. Yeah I'm a hard no on that. Being against abortion is fine, but being against abortion rights is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 They shouldn't be in leadership, and don't change the party position about abortion, but also don't push these guys out either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 That's a strong statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 20 hours ago, johnny said: “Successful people are being punished for being successful!!!” Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 This Bloomberg fella, huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 https://vm.tiktok.com/qy41yS/ It's lit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbits Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jose said: https://vm.tiktok.com/qy41yS/ It's lit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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