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Not true! I never let perfect be the enemy of good, movies included. But it wasn't high art or anything, just well done.

I'm very excited for the movie, but both of those videos were a waste of time.

That was some bullshit, not a teaser trailer.

Same. Nothing memorable or in the upper echelon, but I'm in for a sequel.

It's Matt Reeves. I've been excited since he came on board and this trailer is further proof we're probably in for something special.

I'm with you. The song felt out of place, but the editing and footage were genuinely well done. Now, I really disliked Batman v Superman and Justice League was meh. But I do in general enjoy Zack Snyder's films, they are fun if nothing else. The thematic throughline of the heroes looking at loved ones was cool I thought, and the song and editing started working better later in the trailer I felt, when it did some long pauses for dramatic effect. It was also cool to see it was all exclusive footage. I dunno, this looked better than what we got I think. I'm definitely at least morbidly curious. But yeah, I wouldn't have gone with that song. It came off as extremely overwrought at the start. It got better, but yeah. It is indeed one of the worst parts of Watchmen, a film I otherwise like a lot. Otherwise though, cool potentially.

Attack on Titan? It's been dubbed since season 1, it's a pretty great dub, at least to me.

Yep, this.

That would be me and I'm still more on Jackman's side than Bale's. Killing yourself over and over and a clone taking your place isn't a bad deed, in my opinion. That's a choice for yourself. Jackman's level of pain over the death of his wife was something very relatable, whilst the dual Bale's were hurting two women at the same time and never gave Jackman a straight answer, which would drive anyone crazy. Jackman was a good dude that the Bale's twisted. Also, Dunkirk is indeed his best film.

This is very promising! The Young Pope was so good and The New Pope so far is indeed even better!

I love Any Given Sunday's editing. Man is awesome! I haven't seen Nim's Island but I have heard it is a good Gerard Butler movie, which is always nice.

All I can fucking say is . . . it's nice to still see some anime fans around. But again, all the anime listed barely scratches the surface of the lists I've made (me included), so I dunno.

Ten hours in and while I'm playing super slowly (intentionally, I only jump in to play at night) it's like a virtual, single-player MMO Westworld. You really are in the old dying West. It's Fallout combined with a third person shooter, combined with Shenmue level detail and interactions combined with Sims/Animal Crossing level life-simulation game, but all with amazing production values, graphics, and music to sell it all to adults. The game is also often incredibly relaxing to play, with gentle Western music playing while you ride around in beautiful graphics with the sun setting on the barren horizon. I get why this game is divisive, but I imagine the life simulator game playing group love this game? Sometimes I just jump in to shave, change my clothes, ride my horse to hunt, do a bounty, talk to people around the camp, and go to sleep, save, quit. I feel no pressure to get anything or everything done since, well, the game is simply too vast and too big for that, so I've made peace with just doing what I feel like, and it's pretty liberating (I assume this is what MMO/Second Life/Sims/Animal Cross/Harvest Moon-type players feel like? As I don't normally play that style of game). But the divisiveness makes sense. It's a very meticulous game where you have to account for every little thing almost all the time (the "too boring" and "too realistic" complaints, which I can see is valid depending on what you're playing this game for). As a huge Shenmue fan, I love it, but what's better, by comparison this is a real game with much more narrative thrust, more fun things to do, and better production values. I literally walked into town, which was doing its own thing, did a bounty, hunted a bear, bought some new clothes, got to camp, and one character was already into a long story at the campire while another wanted me to play Five Finger Fillet with them, and I hadn't even read the newest journal entry or newspaper yet. I grabbed a beer, listened to the campfire story from Pearson, then played Five Finger Fillet (a full fucking minigame within this game, where apparently everything has a minigame impressively) with Lenny. I have to put in more time, but I am summarily impressed. Why people are even bothering with Star Citizen (except the pull of sci-fi and other players) when this level of meticulous game playing already exists in this game is surprising to me. Rockstar, if nothing else, certainly made a game with unparalleled fucking depth with production values and graphics never before seen. Usually you are trading one off for the other, but not here seemingly.

The Prestige was not understood at the time, yet it really is one of Nolan's best/most riveting films. I think people had a problem with the central conceit/machine at the source of the film's strangely weird sci-fi plot twist in an otherwise relatively realistic period piece about magicians. I remember my best friend and I at the time leaving the theater, loving the film but not being able to get past that issue. On a second viewing, all was well and the movie become a classic for me. Once one gets over that though, the film is amazing. My guess is The Prestige would have a much higher rating if it came out closer to today, maybe a better score than Tenet.

After finishing Quarry, I Know This Much Is True, and The Outsider, we've now wrapped up season one of The Young Pope, we are now on to season 2 of The Young Pope, which is called The New Pope. Do not confuse this with the recent Fernando Mireilles film, The Two Popes, which is also awesome, starring Anthony Hopkins and Jonathan Pryce playing fictionalized versions of real popes. In The Young Pope/The New Pope, it's Jude Law, James Cromwell, and John Malkovich by comparison, all playing entirely fictitious popes. Confusing I know! Still watching Cosmos: A SpaceTime Voyage on the side.

It's never too late! You've definitely seen some newer stuff with some older stuff (Death Note being old, Parasite being newer, for example). All your choices are good starter/gateway anime and I enjoy most everything you've listed. I'd argue most of your choices are similarly very mainstream/popular ones, but you're just getting into it so that makes sense. I wouldn't throw anyone into the deep end of anime, though the more adult anime is very good regardless (like Flower of Evil or Texhnolyze, for instance). As for a top five, man, I don't know. Influential vs. objectively best top five cross over a lot. For instance, to me Neon Genesis Evangelion, the original TV series and sequel film, are a high water mark of any art in any medium. My wife and I just rewatched it (her first time, she's not a decades long anime nerd like me) and she liked it and she is harsh on anime. But my sense is most people would now say it's influential rather than still good (same with something like The Godfather, wherein it's been so influential the original film is a cliche to a new person to it, I imagine). I'll have to give this some real thought!

That's totally fair, I was just saying that the selection was limited in scope was all, not hating on the choices, I liked all the choices! I would even say for action or action comedy anime there's better stuff, but if that's your top 5, it's your top 5. You are right, AOT is definitely seinen, I was just speaking broadly. Wouldn't you say your anime viewing is very selective to only specific genres/types then though? Like, if I made a top five of movies and only listed mainstream action or action comedy films, as a big film person I can say that I'd say that was a very limited list. That's all I meant by it, not a lot of scope or diversity, so to @legend's point, I'm not sure how "objective" it is, but obviously it's your personal/favorite top five and completely valid in that way.

With regard to Brotherhood: absolutely. I was a huge fan of the first, it'd been awhile since I'd seen it, I started Brotherhood and was like: "wtf is happening?" As for the top five, not to hate on your list, but that's my point: you just listed a bunch of tournament shonen fighting anime series. What about all the excellent adult indie anime series like Texhnolyze or Flower of Evil or Gate or March Comes In Like A Lion or Terror in Resonance, etc. etc. That top 5 seems like a strong top five for tournament fighting anime or mainstream anime, but not of all anime or anything, which is what my previous post was getting at asking @legend what kind of list we should be making because I think most people have only seen mainstream stuff. I mean old anime like His and Her Circumstances and Berserk are far better to me than Dragon Ball or Naruto or Gundam Wing (there are way better Gundam shows alone!). Not hating on you at all, just pointing out how my own knowledge is also inadequate as I haven't seen a lot of the good newer stuff. See my post responding to @Spork3245. Your list is similarly very mainstream. More diverse in choices than Spork's, but still mainstream. I love Attack on Titan and One Punch Man, but better than Showa Genroku? Thunderbolt Fantasy? Made in Abyss? Monster? Any Masaki Yuasa anime? You know what I mean? I think none of us know the truly great anime that is much more intellectual and arthouse than the blockbusters we've all named. I'm happy to post my anime lists by year which lists what I sussed out as the best in anime (TV, OVA, and film) every year for the past 7 years. They are pretty thorough lists, and I haven't seen even a tenth of what's on them, which tells me I'm missing a lot of good anime (I have similar lists for films per year as well, since I'll never catch up to watch them all I needed some way to keep track of all the good and great ones and interesting ones.

It's a tough question, so before I even try, to be clear, are we doing: "top 5 what I think are the objectively best anime of all time"; "top five what I think are the most influential anime of all time"; or "top five what I think are my personal favorite anime of all time". Of course, there's potential overlap between all three categorical lists, but I just wanted to be clear since people confuse the three types often when ranking movies/TV/games/anime/books/whatever. I should note that my anime knowledge is pretty impeccable until 2007-2008, and then me getting older (and college and law school) and the "moe" trend of the time made me follow but not watch much anime for many years. In the last few years I've come back to anime and tried to watch what I've missed, but while I know the good anime of the last decade, I haven't seen at least some of them (if not many of them) so my lists will be incomplete regardless, but I have seen a lot of anime. @Ghost_MH can vouch for me since he was around when I first started frequenting a message board for the first time when I was 15 (April 2001) on the IGN Anime General Board and the Anime Community Board and he was around then too, with the same screenname as he has now (same for me). How we're both around with the same screennames nearly 20 years later I have no idea. So my list would definitely have some validity, but I wanted to be clear seems like anime has gotten really good in the last 5-10 years and I've missed some of the best ones (many of which seem better than classics like FMA even). Edit: Also, we should separate anime TV series from OVA's from movies probably when making the lists too.

Brotherhood is a great show, but not top 5 anime of all-time material I don't think. Additionally, Brotherhood has one enormous failing (otherwise it's great) that immediately hurts it and keeps it out of OMGWTFBBQ status and that's the rushed pacing of the first 10 episodes. What takes longer in the manga and in the first anime (it took 25 episodes in the first anime to get to the same point) happens quite fast in Brotherhood since Brotherhood is trying to speed through the manga material that the 2003 anime already covered well, trying to get to where the big split happens where the manga went one way and the 2003 anime slowly starting going another way, it's own way. The rest of this post is just aimed in general, not at you. And it shows - I always suggest to anyone who wants to watch Brotherhood to watch the first 25 episodes of the 2003 anime first, and then to switch to Brotherhood and start there from the beginning. It feels much more lived in (as it's meant to be) than it does early on in Brotherhood. Brotherhood recovers, and it's an ultimately better show than the 2003 show because the manga is simply telling a better story than the filler the 2003 show went with, but even with that, the 2003 is often better directed, because Seiji Mizushima (Gundam 00) is a flat out better anime director than Yasuhiro Irie, it's just Irie had much better material to work with (and Brotherhood is often well directed, it's just not Mizushima-level, obviously in my opinion haha). The sequel film (Conqueror of Shamballa) to the 2003 anime series really shows off Mizushima's directorial skills, even though there's a lot plot-wise that didn't make sense by then for their filler story. I was saying the same about Hunter X Hunter in another thread - the 1999 show is better directed than the newer, better animated 2011 reboot, and everyone just watches the 2011 reboot but the 1999 version directed by Kazuhiro Furuhashi (Rurouni Kenshin; Samurai X: Trust & Betrayal, Zipang, Le Chevalier D'Eon, etc.) is better directed, and more in line oftentimes with the tone of the original manga more than the 2011 version, which had enough material to adapt two more story arcs than the 1999 version. The 2011 version is good too, but it's a shame the older version gets forgotten.

If others are making the same comparisons, then it's valid I think! Just never something that struck me then. And I got into anime about the same time as you it sounds like - and I'd agree that FMA fits about where you're saying it does - around Kenshin/Trigun levels (I couldn't get into Inuyasha after trying for I think 30 episodes or so when it was on Adult Swim haha). Never been a big Rumiko Takahashi fan though. FMA is definitely nowhere near top 5, even a mainstream/gateway anime top 5 list. Maybe top 20 of the latter, but still not the former.

Well, I never made the connection myself, perhaps others here agree with you by comparison though? I'm a big FMA fan (the original 2003 show and Brotherhood) but they are most certainly not amazing or anything. Are they overhyped these days? I was obsessed with the manga and 2003 show back in the day, and enjoyed Brotherhood when I saw it much later, but I was into anime long before FMA so FMA just seemed like well done anime, but nothing mind blowing. It may also seemed aged now compared to newer anime I imagine.

Yeah, but that's not Game of Thrones' specific MO. That's typical European history in political settings/War of the Roses shit. I guess Game of Thrones is so mainstream now that it's become the face of this type of thing I suppose, which makes some sense.

I hope so. All this Flashpoint stuff feels like too much too soon, like how I felt before Batman v Superman came out when all they'd released was Man of Steel. Solo movies first. Make us care about the characters over time, gradually. Maybe at least one real solo Flash movie first, just maybe? Stuff like that.

Because they've really laid down the substantive character groundwork for the timey-wimey BS of Flashpoint to be cool. A bunch of cameos with no real story arcs of characters worth caring about is just pointless fan service. I mean, okay, so Michael Keaton's Batman meets Ben Affleck's. Why do I care? If the movie can make that happen, then I'm interested.