Update: SCOTUS decision on college admissions affirmative action goes exactly how you expected it would

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Takeaways from SCOTUS affirmative action cases: Conservatives may overturn precedent allowing race as a factor in admissions | CNN Politics

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The Supreme Court is poised to say that colleges and universities can no longer take race into consideration in admissions programs, a decision that will likely overturn decades-old precedent and could diminish the number of African American and Hispanic students in higher education.

 

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The Supreme Court is poised to say that colleges and universities can no longer take race into consideration in admissions programs, a decision that will likely overturn decades-old precedent and could diminish the number of African American and Hispanic students in higher education.

 

During a marathon session lasting almost five hours, the justices heard from a total of five lawyers. Three argued on behalf of Harvard and the University of North Carolina. Two others – both former clerks to Justice Clarence Thomas – argued for the conservative group Students for Fair Admissions behind the challenge.

 

With a 6-3 conservative-liberal majority, the question may be not whether the court will strike down affirmative action, but how far it will rule.

 

 

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Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Samuel Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts repeatedly pushed lawyers for the schools about their efforts to build a class without taking race directly into consideration. Barrett pursued a line of questioning suggesting that instead of “checking a box,” an applicant could use an essay to demonstrate unique personal characteristics.

 

Roberts noted that if race may no longer be taken into consideration, there may be an “incentive for the university to, in fact, truly pursue race-neutral alternatives.”

 

“Suppose that a student is an immigrant from Africa and moves to a rural area in Western North Carolina where the population is overwhelmingly White,” Alito asked in a hypothetical. He wondered if instead of taking race into consideration it would be permissible for the student to write an essay about how he had to deal with “huge cultural differences.”

 

Patrick Strawbridge, representing Students for Fair Admission, said it would be permissible because the preference is “not being based upon race, but upon cultural experiences.”

 

The exchanged caused a skeptical Justice Elena Kagan, a liberal, to exclaim, “The race is part of the culture and the culture is part of the race, isn’t it? I mean, that’s slicing the baloney awfully thin,” she said.

 

 

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The two attorneys representing the challengers – Strawbridge, and Cameron T. Norris from the firm Consovoy McCarthy – are both former clerks to Thomas, a long-time critic of affirmative action.

 

In the Grutter case, Thomas wrote: “The Constitution abhors classifications based on race not only because those classifications can harm favored races or are based on illegitimate motives, but also because every time the government places citizens on racial registers and makes race relevant to the provision of burdens or benefits, it demeans us all.”

 

His comments Monday suggested nothing had changed in his thinking. In fact, at times he went further than the other conservatives questioning whether diversity itself is even a compelling goal for schools in the first place.

 

“I’ve heard the word ‘diversity’ quite a few times, and I don’t have a clue what it means,” he said Monday. “It seems to mean everything for everyone.”

 

Such a position would call into question the use of even race-neutral programs. When a lawyer for UNC said that it would enhance the “truth-seeking” function of learning, and “reduce group think,” Thomas, the court’s only Black male justice, was not impressed.

 

“Well, I guess I don’t put much stock in that because I’ve heard similar arguments in favor of segregation too,” he said.

 

 

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[Commissar SFLUFAN]

To get your blood really boiling, feel free to peruse Elie Mystal's live tweeting of yesterday's tragicomic farce:

 

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[SuperSpreader]

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[b_m_b_m_b_m]

in a world where AA is not permitted and racial classifications for even diversity aren't allowed, all admissions should be based on merit through lottery. this would be far more equitable for racial minorities than the present

 

e.g. harvard requires a 4.0+ and 1580+ SAT or whatever. everyone who meets these criteria gets placed in a lottery and then the 2k freshmen are pulled from the lot. importantly no legacy or faculty/staff admissions, as this majorly skews towards whites. same for random state school but they want Y% residents of X state with a 3.5+ GPA and a 1400+ SAT, and Z% out of state with whatever qualifications. if meritocracy is what is needed (not that cons are actually for this, they want to entrench their own power and privilege) we need both to expand the availability of admissions through greater seats in the freshman class AND this lottery admission or something similar

 

failsons won't make the cut and don't get in because of daddys name, they have to work for it and hope they literally get the luck of the draw like everyone else

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

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[Firewithin]

i mean at this point we all need to know that anything that even remotely helped non rich people is gone

[CitizenVectron]

16 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

in a world where AA is not permitted and racial classifications for even diversity aren't allowed, all admissions should be based on merit through lottery. this would be far more equitable for racial minorities than the present

 

e.g. harvard requires a 4.0+ and 1580+ SAT or whatever. everyone who meets these criteria gets placed in a lottery and then the 2k freshmen are pulled from the lot. importantly no legacy or faculty/staff admissions, as this majorly skews towards whites. same for random state school but they want Y% residents of X state with a 3.5+ GPA and a 1400+ SAT, and Z% out of state with whatever qualifications. if meritocracy is what is needed (not that cons are actually for this, they want to entrench their own power and privilege) we need both to expand the availability of admissions through greater seats in the freshman class AND this lottery admission or something similar

 

failsons won't make the cut and don't get in because of daddys name, they have to work for it and hope they literally get the luck of the draw like everyone else

 

Yeah I don't think they are looking for an egalitarian solution

[Kal-El814]

26 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

in a world where AA is not permitted and racial classifications for even diversity aren't allowed, all admissions should be based on merit through lottery. this would be far more equitable for racial minorities than the present

 

e.g. harvard requires a 4.0+ and 1580+ SAT or whatever. everyone who meets these criteria gets placed in a lottery and then the 2k freshmen are pulled from the lot. importantly no legacy or faculty/staff admissions, as this majorly skews towards whites. same for random state school but they want Y% residents of X state with a 3.5+ GPA and a 1400+ SAT, and Z% out of state with whatever qualifications. if meritocracy is what is needed (not that cons are actually for this, they want to entrench their own power and privilege) we need both to expand the availability of admissions through greater seats in the freshman class AND this lottery admission or something similar

 

failsons won't make the cut and don't get in because of daddys name, they have to work for it and hope they literally get the luck of the draw like everyone else

 

Unis aren’t going to put a kink in the firehouse that douses them with money. Lori Loughlins are so, so, so much more common than people assume.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

9 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

Unis aren’t going to put a kink in the firehouse that douses them with money. Lori Loughlins are so, so, so much more common than people assume.

change like i described won't come from inside the hallowed halls of academia as you noted, it has to come from congress (and there is a bill by Rep Jamaal Bowman to ban legacy admissions which would be a start!)

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

And the actual decision went exactly as you should've expected it would.

 

Supreme Court restricts use of race in college admissions - The Washington Post

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Landmark cases involving Harvard and the University of North Carolina asked the Supreme Court to ban affirmative action, or using race in college admissions.

 

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The Supreme Court on Thursday struck down admissions programs at Harvard and the University of North Carolina that relied in part on racial considerations, saying they violate the Constitution.

 

The votes split along ideological grounds, with Chief Justice John G. Roberts writing for the conservative members in the majority, and the liberals dissenting.

 

“The student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual—not on the basis of race,” Roberts wrote. “Many universities have for too long done just the opposite. And in doing so, they have concluded, wrongly, that the touchstone of an individual’s identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned but the color of their skin. Our constitutional history does not tolerate that choice.”

 

The justices deciding whether affirmative action recognizes and nourishes a multicultural nation, or impermissibly divides Americans by race, represent the most diverse Supreme Court in history. It is composed of four White men, two White women, one Black man, one Black woman and a Latina.

 

 

[Kal-El814]

John Roberts can eat my ass.

[Jason]

11 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

And the actual decision went exactly as you should've expected it would.

 

Supreme Court restricts use of race in college admissions - The Washington Post

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Landmark cases involving Harvard and the University of North Carolina asked the Supreme Court to ban affirmative action, or using race in college admissions.

 

 

 

dude you literally posted in the other thread about this

[Keyser_Soze]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

dude you literally posted in the other thread about this

 

He actually posted this a minute before the new thread was made.

[Jason]

49 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

He actually posted this a minute before the new thread was made.

 

Oh then I blame @Kal-El814 for bumping this one.