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[Keyser_Soze]

Thursday, October 14
Matchup	Time (PT)	TV
Tampa Bay at  Philadelphia	5:20 PM	Fox/NFL

Sunday, October 17
Matchup	Time (PT)	TV
Miami vs      Jacksonville	6:30 AM	CBS
Green Bay at  Chicago	10:00 AM	FOX
Cincinnati at  Detroit	10:00 AM	FOX
Houston at  Indianapolis	10:00 AM	CBS
LA Rams at  NY Giants	10:00 AM	FOX
Kansas City at  Washington	10:00 AM	CBS
Minnesota at  Carolina	10:00 AM	FOX
LA Chargers at  Baltimore	10:00 AM	CBS
Arizona at  Cleveland	1:05 PM	FOX
Las Vegas at  Denver	1:25 PM	CBS
Dallas at  New England	1:25 PM	CBS
Seattle at  Pittsburgh	5:20 PM	NBC

Monday, October 18
Matchup	Time (PT)	TV
Buffalo at Tennessee	5:15 PM	ESPN

 

Well last week ended with some spicy off the field drama. I'm sure that's going to continue this week.

Other than that there seem to be a few stand out games this week. Will the Arizona / Cleveland game and Chargers / Baltimore game be oodles of scoring? Maybe. Bills get another prime time game. And I guess Dallas and New England should be interesting.

[thewhyteboar]

A+ title.

[BuckFly]

In.

 

 

 

Side note:  I called Keyser a jerk late in the last decade and was "misplaced" from this board for 12 months.  Not true story.

[thewhyteboar]

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

 

[BuckFly]

2 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 

 

Yeah, but isn't that really kind of a nothing burger?

 

It is not unusual to run stories by people who were being reported on to verify parts of it, or to recommend changes from their perspective.

 

its up to the judgment of the reporter, but it also helps prevent something from being a hit piece if it is inaccurate.

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

7 minutes ago, BuckFly said:

 

 

Yeah, but isn't that really kind of a nothing burger?

 

It is not unusual to run stories by people who were being reported on to verify parts of it, or to recommend changes from their perspective.

 

its up to the judgment of the reporter, but it also helps prevent something from being a hit piece if it is inaccurate.

 

 

 

No self-respecting journalist should ever run their stories by the people being reported on or allow them to "edit" it in any way, shape, or form.  Doing so smacks of "access journalism" which is all but the equivalent of being a stenographer/propagandist.

 

Schefter refers to Allen as "Mr. Editor", for heaven's sake!

[BuckFly]

2 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 

No self-respecting journalist should ever run their stories by the people being reported on or allow them to "edit" it in any way, shape, or form.  Doing so smacks of "access journalism" which is all but the equivalent of being a stenographer/propagandist.

 

Schefter refers to Allen as "Mr. Editor", for heaven's sake!

 

Yeah, because so much self respect in reporters nowadays, but that 100% aside*…

 

…what was the story?

 

Honestly asking, because I don’t know.  
 

I know it is crazy that context matters, but context matters.

 

 

* because I’ve seen on numerous occasions and on numerous stories from self respecting reporters in print and television state, “when asked to comment about this story”, or “when asked before going to print”.  It helps as well to create a safe harbor from libel.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

19 minutes ago, BuckFly said:

* because I’ve seen on numerous occasions and on numerous stories from self respecting reporters in print and television state, “when asked to comment about this story”, or “when asked before going to print”.  It helps as well to create a safe harbor from libel.

 

That's a very different situation than forwarding the story to them for "editing".

[thewhyteboar]

There are actually a ton of real, respectable journalists who would never do this. You don't give a source control over what you are writing; that's PR, not journalism. 

 

It's no surprise that Schefter would do this, nor that a hack like Rovell finds no problem with this.

[thewhyteboar]

Adam Schefter Is Pathetic And ESPN Is Gutless | Defector

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I do not know how many times Adam Schefter is going to climb to the rooftops and shout, I am a little worm! What I do is not journalism! before ESPN decides to care. Today is apparently...

If anyone is actually curious about why this is a big no-no, this article lays out why:

 

It is probably worth explaining here not only that it is bad to send a story to a source for pre-publication review, but why it is bad. While I assure you this is not normal practice, and is indeed right up there as one of the basic tenets of journalism along with “spell people’s names correctly” and “don’t make shit up,” and that all reporters know not to do it (both innately and from having it drilled into their heads by competent and ethical instructors, colleagues, and bosses), there is no reason a normal person would ever spend a minute thinking about it. But it’s not some arcane, ivory-tower, j-school ethical holdover; it’s common sense. Every source for every story is by definition an interested party, and their interest is in the story being reported in a certain way. That’s not necessarily intentional or nefarious, but it’s without exception—why else would they talk to a reporter? They want something out there, and they want it to be their version. That’s a conflict of interest that’s unavoidably inherent in the very idea of sourcing. This doesn’t mean that sources shouldn’t be trusted, but it does mean that they should not be the final arbiter of the story’s content—especially when, as was the case here, the story was one about a conflict between two sides, and only one side was handed the rubber stamp.

The story in question was not the typical Schefter pap. It would be one thing if Schefter was asking someone to sign off on the sort of disposable, 300-word filler item he usually traffics in. Tom Brady, please let me know if you see anything that should be added, changed, tweaked in this story reporting that you still have “the will to win.” That wouldn’t be fine, exactly, but also who cares. But this story was actual news. It was a story about CBA negotiations between the players and owners during the 2011 lockout. It was a labor battle, with both sides keen to get their spin on events in front of the public. It was a story with real implications for the livelihoods of the people involved. And Adam Schefter chose to let someone from the management side of the bargaining table have final say on how it was presented.

This isn’t about management = bad, either. It wouldn’t have been OK if Schefter had sent his draft to an NFLPA source instead or in addition. Don’t let anyone see the story! Talk to them for the story, then write the story by triangulating the facts as best you can given the various motivations of your sources. That’s how reporting works, especially on a topic like labor negotiations where there’s not always going to be one objectively true version of events. If you want a story to be both comprehensive and accurate, the very last thing to do is let one side have veto power over the other’s words.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, BuckFly said:

 

 

Yeah, but isn't that really kind of a nothing burger?

 

It is not unusual to run stories by people who were being reported on to verify parts of it, or to recommend changes from their perspective.

 

its up to the judgment of the reporter, but it also helps prevent something from being a hit piece if it is inaccurate.

 

No, it is not normal journalistic practice to send unfinished articles to subjects and/or related parties to ask for their editorial insight.

[BuckFly]

I support all of the comments above by you and thank you all for the information and as always the education and further knowledge.  I will go back to my earlier comment, though, about what the context was or really what the story was, which I did not know at the time, and stated as much.  

 

If it were a fluff piece, especially from an insider whose job essentially is to be a water carrier for the NFL (right or wrong) is different.   The Defector can say all it wants about it being a no-no (which they even hedged on with fluff a bit).  Doesn't mean it is not done, but also, and agreeably, it should be chastised and deterred.  

 

However, and as I have posted on other boards this is all red herring bull**** that we...US here are chasing after.  For crying out loud on my Bills board it became pages about whether OJ should come off the Bills Wall of Fame...there I stated, "really?"  Gruden (?), OJ (?), all the while Snyder, AND the NFL and the WFT go strolling and whistling out the backdoor.  

 

I guess I was not eloquent or even pointed in what was really my main issue in my earlier posts here, which was...

 

Gruden...Shefter...really?!

 

With the monstrous things that the WFT and Snyder have done or are at least being accused of doing here at the D1P it is the benign garbage we are debating...including me.  We are kidding ourselves if this is or should be the focus.  

 

Gruden is gone, as he should be...but he's gone.

 

Shefter is going to take his heat, but who's clinking their glasses together if he goes down, proclaiming "decency and ethics in journalism has been restored! Ha-zah!"?

 

Meanwhile, I believe PFT referenced the fact that someone is out there speaking up, petitioning or at least trying to get advertisers to put heat on the the NFL's advertisers to hold  the NFL accountable for some disclosures, and really some consequences, about the purpose of all this, which is the egregious activities of the organization, owner and the now apparent cover up by the League itself.

 

Firing the guy who deflates footballs, destroying THE evidence of "spy-gate", or fining a team doesn't seem like it is going to be enough of an answer this time around...or hopefully it shouldn't be enough.

 

If it is, if this is ALL this ends up being about or happening, then maybe we all deserve to be eating nothing burgers and being satisfied.  

 

 

[thewhyteboar]

I don't think anyone disagrees with you. Snyder is a rotten human being and should not be allowed to own a team. And I'm sure there is more. There's a reason the NFL settled so quickly with Kapernick, just like there is a reason that they leaked the Gruden emails in hope that he is the fall guy. If it ends with only Gruden, that will be a very disappointing outcome.

[BuckFly]

13 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

I don't think anyone disagrees with you. Snyder is a rotten human being and should not be allowed to own a team. And I'm sure there is more. There's a reason the NFL settled so quickly with Kapernick, just like there is a reason that they leaked the Gruden emails in hope that he is the fall guy. If it ends with only Gruden, that will be a very disappointing outcome.

 

 

T-Dubs, it's so sleazy.  

 

Even if it is just conjecture on our part it is not too far off to think that someone amidst all this garbage...those young girls...someone just waived their hand and said, "meh, throw the masses this bone and let's move on." 

 

Disgusting.  

 

No...not this time.  No.  

 

[Keyser_Soze]

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, BuckFly said:

With the monstrous things that the WFT and Snyder have done or are at least being accused of doing here at the D1P it is the benign garbage we are debating...including me.  We are kidding ourselves if this is or should be the focus.  

The Adam Shefter issue is exactly why we are limited to these tertiary issues. The sports press is allllll access journalism, so nobody is ever asking the hard questions, nobody is digging deep for the emails that implicate the people all the way up at the top. 
 

These things aren’t disconnected at all!

[BuckFly]

To get WFT emails, pressure is being placed on NFL sponsors - ProFootballTalk

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Last year, pressure from sponsors prompted Washington Football Team owner Daniel Snyder to abandon his all-caps NEVER refusal to change the team name. Now, sponsors of the league are being asked to pressure the NFL to release the emails obtained through the recent...

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

The ultimate indignity:

 

EA will remove disgraced NFL coach Jon Gruden from Madden 22 | PC Gamer

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He'll be replaced with a "generic likeness" in a future update.

 

[Biggie]

TIL people still give a shit about Madden

[Biggie]

So do the Raiders come together as a team or do they fall apart? @AbsolutSurgen

[Keyser_Soze]

Buccaneers have no more corners left.

[Biggie]

Troy and Joe are the fucking worst. 

[Keyser_Soze]

 

[Brian]

Seattle Seahawks placing QB Russell Wilson on injured reserve; RB Chris Carson out vs. Steelers

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The Seahawks will place Russell Wilson on injured reserve as he recovers from finger surgery, according to coach Pete Carroll. Running back Chris Carson was...

@thewhyteboar RIP

[thewhyteboar]

Geno take the wheel.

[Biggie]

31 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said:

Geno take the wheel.

[thewhyteboar]

I'm not prepared for Urban Meyer's first win to come against the Seahawks. 

 

Fuck.

[Keyser_Soze]

Rashaad Penny could be healthy in a week.

[Keyser_Soze]

@Commissar SFLUFAN

 

 

[Brian]

Only one old racist white guy?

 

[thewhyteboar]

Dan Snyder wriggles free once again.

[AbsolutSurgen]

On 10/14/2021 at 6:53 PM, Biggie said:

So do the Raiders come together as a team or do they fall apart? @AbsolutSurgen

 

They still have their top 2 OG and 2 of their top 3 CBs on IR.

[AbsolutSurgen]

Why did the Jon Gruden situation come to a head when it did? - ProFootballTalk

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Jon Gruden got what he deserved, there’s no question about that. However, did he deserve to get what he got at the specific moment that he got it? More importantly, did the Raiders deserve to have to endure the Gruden controversy during football season? It’s a fair question. It’s an important question. The timing of [more]

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It’s a fair question. It’s an important question. The timing of the decision to alert the Raiders to the Gruden situation and, quite possibly (if not probably), to pressure the Raiders to fire Gruden or force him to quit created a serious and significant competitive issue for the Raiders and, in turn, for multiple other teams.

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To be clear, the league — not the Wall Street Journal —  pulled the lawnmower cord during the week of October 4. Along the way, someone leaked the email regarding Smith to the Wall Street Journal. Even without the leak, the Raiders were getting the emails.

So why did the Raiders get emails about which the league had known for months during the regular season? If this had come to a head in, January, owner Mark Davis could have hired a new coach who would have spent the offseason preparing to move forward. If the league had waited until after the current season ended, Davis could have replaced Gruden then. Instead, the delivery of the emails to the Raiders — coupled with the making of just enough of them public — forced the team’s hand.

During a season. Let that sink in. Per a source with knowledge of the timeline, Washington owner Daniel Snyder went to the league office at some point in June to have, essentially, a hearing regarding the punishment he’d receive. Present for the hearing were the Commissioner and a small handful of owners. By the time that meeting happened, the league (we’re told) definitely was aware of the Gruden emails.

 

Having several other owners aware of the emails in June, and not Mark Davis, is mind-blowing.  And, the result being that the Raiders having to change coaches mid-season is pretty damaging to the leagues credibility.

[Biggie]

Jacksonville won!