mclumber1 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Quote Trump did not bring up Montenegro himself. It was used as an example by Tucker Carlson during an interview on Fox News. "Membership in NATO obligates the members to defend any other member that's attacked," Carlson said. "So let’s say Montenegro, which joined last year, is attacked. Why should my son go to Montenegro to defend it from attack?" Trump answered: "I understand what you're saying. I've asked the same question. Montenegro is a tiny country with very strong people. … They're very aggressive people. They may get aggressive, and congratulations you're in World War III." Quote By saying that he had "asked the same question" why Americans troops should be asked to defend their allies, Trump was challenging the entire point of NATO. Article 5 of its founding treaty states that an attack on one member "shall be considered an attack against them all" and is at the "very heart" of the organization. It doesn't specifically mandate allies respond with force but that's the spirit in which many see it. The only time Article 5 was invoked was on behalf of the U.S. after the 9/11 attacks in 2001. It's not the first time Trump has questioned the principle of mutual defense. During his presidential campaign he told The New York Times that his willingness to protect smaller states from Russia was conditional on their defense spending. He was also slow to commit to Article 5 once in office. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-calls-out-very-aggressive-montenegro-latest-nato-jibe-n892311 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Montenegro begins trial of alleged pro-Russian coup plotters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: Montenegro begins trial of alleged pro-Russian coup plotters Probably a witch hunt doe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Montenegro has troops in Afghanistan, also implying montenegro could attack someone and then invoke article 5 is nuts, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Wait, Tucker Carlson has children? How did that date rapey prick pull that off?... I just answered my own question didn’t I? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, MarSolo said: Wait, Tucker Carlson has children? How did that date rapey prick pull that off?... I just answered my own question didn’t I? Seductively removes bowtie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, MarSolo said: Wait, Tucker Carlson has children? How did that date rapey prick pull that off?... I just answered my own question didn’t I? Hi my name is Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson. :unzips pants: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Seductively removes bowtie Given the nonstop projection from the right these days, maybe Tucker is a panda in a human suit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Yes, aggressive Montenegro. The aggressive country of 642,000, and certainly not a target of Russian aggression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblfilms Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I think it’s fine to question whether specific mutual defense agreements are in the best interest of your nation. It makes sense to sign mutual defense agreements with nations where we share strong economic ties and that have a relatively low likelihood of being involved in a conflict. Obviously there are more issues than that underneath this particular questioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Hey, I'm not the one who wanted all these Slavs in NATO to begin with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Hey, I'm not the one who wanted all these Slavs in NATO to begin with! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I think it’s fine to question whether specific mutual defense agreements are in the best interest of your nation. It makes sense to sign mutual defense agreements with nations where we share strong economic ties and that have a relatively low likelihood of being involved in a conflict. Obviously there are more issues than that underneath this particular questioning. In this particular case, the Senate voted 97-2 to accept them into NATO, and Trump himself signed the Senate ratification of their accession into NATO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: In this particular case, the Senate voted 97-2 to accept them into NATO, and Trump himself signed the Senate ratification of their accession into NATO Very unfair, they tricked him into thinking Montenegro is a Russian oblast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I think it’s fine to question whether specific mutual defense agreements are in the best interest of your nation. It makes sense to sign mutual defense agreements with nations where we share strong economic ties and that have a relatively low likelihood of being involved in a conflict. Obviously there are more issues than that underneath this particular questioning. *Assuming a rational actor is at the helm should be at the end of almost every post we all make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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