Россия invades Україна | UPDATE (30 May 2024) - Biden gives Ukraine permission to strike some targets inside Russia with American weapons

[CitizenVectron]

 

Russia can only move so fast, and there are 10,000+ soldiers stuck waiting to cross the river...all who are within regular artillery range.

[Greatoneshere]

32 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Russia can only move so fast, and there are 10,000+ soldiers stuck waiting to cross the river...all who are within regular artillery range.

 

I feel like this sounds like Dunkirk. 

[CitizenVectron]

Need to wait and see, but potentially the worst pocketing of forces since WWII:

 

[CitizenVectron]

Russian milblogger with contacts in Kherson:

 

[CitizenVectron]

[CitizenVectron]

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

[Fizzzzle]

I've been reading/watching a number of opinion pieces recently about how the Russian military being so badly exposed is pretty much guaranteed to see a number of new conflicts erupt in the Caucasus and Central Asia. There won't be anyone to keep the peace between Armenia/Azerbaijan or been the -stans (it's all but guaranteed they're going to start fighting over water sooner rather than later)

[CitizenVectron]

Apparently air defense was one of the first to move away from Kherson, so Ukraine is able to operate UAVs over the river crossings almost uncontested.

[Air_Delivery]

3 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Russia can only move so fast, and there are 10,000+ soldiers stuck waiting to cross the river...all who are within regular artillery range.

/r/Combatforums are gonna be lit

[CitizenVectron]

4 hours ago, Greatoneshere said:

 

I feel like this sounds like Dunkirk. 

 

[Greatoneshere]

1 hour ago, Fizzzzle said:

I've been reading/watching a number of opinion pieces recently about how the Russian military being so badly exposed is pretty much guaranteed to see a number of new conflicts erupt in the Caucasus and Central Asia. There won't be anyone to keep the peace between Armenia/Azerbaijan or been the -stans (it's all but guaranteed they're going to start fighting over water sooner rather than later)

 

This is not exactly a bad thing as countries finally exhibiting autonomy over a fascist semi-overlord is a good thing. I agree conflicts may break out (likely will in some places) but perhaps the UN and/or more peaceful heads from more liberal countries who want to avert war can step into Russia place. Georgia has been asking to join NATO and/or the EU for awhile now, and Moldova probably wouldn't mind if their Russian-backed separatists in their countries stopped. If Russia withdraws and stops supporting such groups, perhaps they can be crushed and then we all move on. We'll see.

[Greatoneshere]

35 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

 

So true - and made my day. Florida Man steps up!

[Air_Delivery]

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Yeeeeaaaaahhhh - I really don't believe a word of that

 

It's damned superb propaganda imagery though!

[Air_Delivery]

33 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

Yeeeeaaaaahhhh - I really don't believe a word of that

 

It's damned superb propaganda imagery though!

Guess we will find out soon enough. I've seen a video purported to be Ukrainians hitting their retreat and its non stop shelling. I'm guessing its going to be as bad as anything since WWII

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Advance units of the Ukrainian military have entered Kherson itself.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Kherson:

 

 

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

ISW analysis for 10 November 2022:

 

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 10 | Institute for the Study of War

WWW.UNDERSTANDINGWAR.ORG

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Ukrainian forces steadily advanced in Kherson Oblast on November 10 as Russian forces conduct a withdrawal to the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River. Ukrainian military officials and geolocated social media footage confirm that Ukrainian troops have

 

 

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Click here to see ISW’s interactive map of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This map is updated daily alongside the static maps present in this report.

 

Ukrainian forces steadily advanced in Kherson Oblast on November 10 as Russian forces conduct a withdrawal to the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River. Ukrainian military officials and geolocated social media footage confirm that Ukrainian troops have made gains northwest, west, and northeast of Kherson City in the past 24 hours and advanced up to 7km in some areas.[1] Russian forces so far appear to be withdrawing in relatively good order, and Ukrainian forces are making expected gains without routing Russian forces, as they did in the Kharkiv counteroffensive. Ukrainian strikes since August have successfully degraded Russian supply lines on the west (right) bank to force Russian forces to withdraw and will liberate Kherson Oblast to the Dnipro River in the coming days or weeks. The Russian withdrawal will take some time to complete, and fighting will continue throughout Kherson Oblast as Ukrainian troops advance and come up against pre-prepared Russian defensive lines, especially around Kherson City.

 

ISW does not assess the fighting in Ukraine will halt or enter a stalemate due to winter weather, despite faulty Western assumptions. NBC News reported on November 9 that some US and Western defense officials are eyeing an “expected winter slowdown in fighting as an opportunity for diplomacy to begin between Russia and Ukraine.”[2] Autumn and springtime mud can slow or halt military advances, as can faulty or insufficient wintertime equipment. Some military equipment may need to be adapted for colder weather, and shortages of equipment or ammunition could slow advances due to logistical difficulties — not winter weather.[3] Winter weather could disproportionately harm poorly-equipped Russian forces in Ukraine, but well-supplied Ukrainian forces are unlikely to halt their counteroffensives due to the arrival of winter weather and may be able to take advantage of frozen terrain to move more easily than they could in the muddy autumn months. If fighting does halt this winter, it will be due to logistical challenges and the culmination of several campaigns on both sides. The Russian campaigns to capture all of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia oblasts all culminated months ago (despite the repeated insistence of Russian forces on launching ineffective attacks), and Russian forces are firmly on the defensive across most of the frontline.

 

Ukraine holds the initiative and is in the process of securing a major victory in Kherson. A ceasefire would provide the Kremlin with the pause it desperately needs to reconstitute Russian forces. The major Ukrainian victory underway in Kherson Oblast will not be Ukraine’s last. Fighting will continue on the southern axis; in Bakhmut, Donetsk Oblast (the only place Russian forces are still attempting meaningful offensives); and in northern Luhansk Oblast as Ukrainian forces continue counteroffensive operations. Russian officials are busy attempting to train 120,000 conscripts to deploy to the frontlines in the spring.[4] Ukrainian forces likely aim to liberate as much occupied territory as possible before those Russian reinforcements arrive. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on November 7 that Ukraine is unwilling to negotiate with Russian forces until certain conditions are met, including the restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity, the prosecution of Russian war criminals, payment for war damages, and promises that Russia will not again invade Ukraine.[5] A wintertime ceasefire would only benefit Russian forces, who would use that opportunity to bolster their faltering defenses and continue their genocidal campaign to eradicate Ukrainian identity in occupied parts of Ukraine.

 

Wagner Group financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin is increasingly wrestling with St. Petersburg officials over expanding Wagner Group operations in the city. Prigozhin’s press service stated that St. Petersburg officials refused to provide a permit for the newly opened Wagner Center in St. Petersburg on a technicality.[6] The press service noted that St. Petersburg officials are deliberately refusing to issue the permit based on their "ideological” differences, given that Wagner received the permission to construct the center in July.[7] The press service added that Wagner had petitioned the court and will take the issue further if the court recognizes St. Petersburg Governor Alexander Beglov and his government have committed any “crimes.”[8] Prigozhin also accused Beglov and other St. Petersburg “liberal” businessmen of financially supporting Ukrainian “nationalists” and betraying Russia in response to the situation.[9] Prigozhin has previously accused Beglov of failing to support the Russian war effort and demanded his resignation, likely as a result of resistance from Beglov on expanding Wagner’s presence in St. Petersburg.[10] ISW also reported that a Russian nationalist outlet Pravda.Ru, which consistently reports on Prigozhin-related news, published a defamatory piece on Beglov’s uninterest in creating volunteer battalions in August.[11] Prigozhin is increasingly weaponizing his role in the Russian invasion of Ukraine to push his business aspirations.

 

Ukrainian Air Force Command spokesperson Yuriy Ignat stated that Russian forces will likely further reduce the pace of their campaign to strike Ukrainian critical infrastructure, likely enabling Ukrainian authorities to address most of the damage to infrastructure. Ignat announced on November 10 that on the night of November 9 to 10 Russian forces did not conduct any air or cruise missile strikes on Ukrainian critical infrastructure facilities.[12] Ignat stated that Russian forces have begun to stockpile high-precision weapons systems to launch a future massive campaign reminiscent of the October 10 strikes, because small numbers of daily cruise missile and drone strikes are now generating few results.[13] Ignat stated Russian forces spent months accumulating the high-precision weapons systems they used in the October campaign against Ukrainian critical infrastructure.[14] ISW has previously assessed that Russian forces have greatly depleted their arsenal of high-precision weapons systems and have suffered significant aviation losses and therefore would struggle to maintain the pace of their campaign against Ukrainian infrastructure.[15] It will likely take Russian forces months to accumulate the number of high-precision weapons systems needed to return to the pace of strikes it conducted in mid-October despite Ignat’s reporting that Russian factories are drastically increasing the manufacturing of cruise missiles.[16] Ukrainian officials have previously stated that they could restore energy supplies to communities in Ukraine within a matter of a few weeks if the pace of the Russian campaign dramatically slowed.[17] ISW also assessed that Russian President Vladimir Putin may have ordered the campaign against Ukrainian critical infrastructure to curry favor with the Russian pro-war nationalist camp that has been consistently demanding escalation in Ukraine.[18] A reduced pace in the campaign will likely contribute to renewed criticisms from the pro-war nationalist camp. Russian forces likely retain the capability to damage Ukrainian critical infrastructure and impose costs on Ukrainian civilians in the winter but are unlikely to be able to inflict decisive — and lasting — damage.

 

Key Takeaways

• Ukrainian forces steadily advanced in Kherson Oblast on November 10 as Russian forces conduct a withdrawal to the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River.
• The Russian withdrawal will take some time to complete, and fighting will continue throughout Kherson Oblast as Ukrainian troops advance and come up against pre-prepared Russian defensive lines, especially around Kherson City.
• ISW does not assess the fighting in Ukraine will halt or enter a stalemate due to winter weather, despite faulty Western assumptions.
• Ukraine holds the initiative and is in the process of securing a major victory in Kherson. A ceasefire would provide the Kremlin with the pause it desperately needs to reconstitute Russian forces.
• Wagner Group financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin is increasingly wrestling with St. Petersburg officials over expanding Wagner Group recruitment in the city.
• Ukrainian Air Force Command spokesperson Yuriy Ignat stated that Russian force will likely slow the pace of their campaign against Ukrainian infrastructure.
• Ukrainian forces continued to conduct counteroffensive operations on the Svatove-Kreminna line.
• Russian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and in western Donetsk.
• Russian forces began constructing second line fortifications in Crimea and southern Ukraine.
• Russian citizens continue to oppose Russia’s war in Ukraine through protest, social media dissent, and desertions from the military.
• Russian mobilization efforts are channeling personnel to the Wagner group.
• Russian occupation officials are continuing efforts to erode Ukrainian national identity while mobilizing residents in Russian-occupied territories.

 

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Operational map of Kherson AO:
 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Edit: tweet removed because it was using a video from March and passing it off as current.

 

To hell with that blasted social network - banning its use is the best goddamned thing I've ever done for this site!

[mclumber1]

Is Kherson ethnically or linguistically Russian?  

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

2 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

Is Kherson ethnically or linguistically Russian?  

 

Ethnically:

Ukrainian - 76%

Russian - 20%

 

Linguistically:

Ukrainian - 53%

Russian - 45%

[CitizenVectron]

3 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

Ethnically:

Ukrainian - 76%

Russian - 20%

 

Linguistically:

Ukrainian - 53%

Russian - 45%

 

I'd be curious about the language aspect now. From interviews on the ground, it sounds like many Ukrainians who primarily used Russian before the war have switched to Ukrainian, wanting to break as many ties as possible with the invaders. 

 

Most people in Ukraine can speak both, in the south and east.

[CayceG]

27 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

Is Kherson ethnically or linguistically Russian?  

 

Being "linguistically" Russian is not a useful way to classify people and extrapolate meaning. 

 

People SPEAK Russian. And they can speak Ukrainian, as CV said (usually a mix as well, called Surzhyk). But even if a person solely speaks Russian that doesn't mean they are Russian, belong to Russia, or are allied with or lean towards Russia. 

The politics of language in Ukraine have been developing very rapidly in the last 20 years and it is no longer a way to draw conclusions about what a person might think. 

 

[mclumber1]

27 minutes ago, CayceG said:

 

Being "linguistically" Russian is not a useful way to classify people and extrapolate meaning. 

 

People SPEAK Russian. And they can speak Ukrainian, as CV said (usually a mix as well, called Surzhyk). But even if a person solely speaks Russian that doesn't mean they are Russian, belong to Russia, or are allied with or lean towards Russia. 

The politics of language in Ukraine have been developing very rapidly in the last 20 years and it is no longer a way to draw conclusions about what a person might think. 

 

 

Sure, I agree.  But from Russia's (wrong) point of view - if they speak Russian, they OBVIOUSLY should be in the Russian Federation. 

[CayceG]

Yeah, basically. And I think that was part of the fake history they've developed about the southern/eastern portions of Ukraine. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense confirms that it has "control over the whole right bank of the Dnipro".

 

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Per the @wartranslated Twitter account:

 

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Diplomatic sources report Iran slowing down weapons supply to Russia. The recent visit of Patrushev to Iran may have been a Russian attempt to restore the weapons supply from Iran.

 

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Yet, given a very complicated Iranian geopolitical situation, Iran may have been advised against supplying weapons to Russia or brace for unpleasant consequences otherwise.

 

Arestovych: “Iran may have received an offer that they cannot refuse.”

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

Per the @wartranslated Twitter account:

 

 

 

 

Very interesting development. Without Iranian weapons...Russia really has few ranged options to use on Ukrainian infrastructure.

[CayceG]

So what do we think the offer/threat was and who it came from?

[mclumber1]

15 minutes ago, CayceG said:

So what do we think the offer/threat was and who it came from?

 

Maybe veiled threats from Saudi Arabia have caused Iran to rethink exporting weapons that would be necessary if they themselves went to war with another regional power. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

1 hour ago, CayceG said:

So what do we think the offer/threat was and who it came from?

 

I'm going to say that the carrot/stick came straight from the United States and the stick was direct military strikes on the drone production facilities.

 

The carrot was probably something to do with the nuclear deal.

[BloodyHell]

10 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense confirms that it has "control over the whole right bank of the Dnipro".

 

 

So, by "right bank", I take it they mean Western bank? Which is weird, because on a map it would be the left bank? Or is it just shoddy translation?

[CayceG]

1 hour ago, BloodyHell said:

So, by "right bank", I take it they mean Western bank? Which is weird, because on a map it would be the left bank? Or is it just shoddy translation?

 

When talking about rivers Right and Left are in relation to the direction the river flows. The Dnieper flows from north to south, so the right bank along the river is the western bank.