Nokra

Once you have the error code we can look into it to see if there is a known solution, but yeah probably the easiest way is just a fresh install. 

Happy Birthday, @Keyser_Soze!

I really don't care for the looks of the R3 or R3X, personally. I love the retro looks of the Hyundai Ioniq 5, but I think these two might be "a bridge too far", personally. Maybe they look better in person, but from what I've seen in pictures and videos they look way too 70s or early 80s for my taste. 

It's also kind of worrying that the R2 isn't even coming out until 2026 and the R3 "after that" (TBD when, exactly) and the R3X "after the R3" (again, TBD). Competition in the EV space is really heating up and the market could look totally different in two or more years until these release. 

To be fair, it does sound better than "Retired-But-Not-By-My-Own-Choice-Admiral Jackson". 

5 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

I'm in, but only if the money is spent on Home Alone style traps.

That's a lotta paint cans! 

36 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

You might as well wait a few months for the refresh then!  Hyundai/Kia/Genesis finally adding wireless CarPlay is huge. Their engineers “claimed” the reason they weren’t adding it was because of the input lag when it’s used wirelessly was “below their quality standards”. So, we’ll see if they were full of shit and just didn’t want to pay Apple the extra money for the wireless components, or if they actually reduced the input lag.  

Yeah the upgrades are all really awesome, I'm even more pumped for the car now.  Especially the OTA updates! With how software-dependent everything is these days, it seems obvious that you should have infrastructure in place to be able to patch it remotely, but apparently not until 2025!

I'd heard rumors too that the 2025 Ioniq 5 may have a NACS port as standard and include a CCS adapter, vs. its current standard CCS port. Nothing I've seen covering yesterday's announcement mentioned it, but the event took place in Korea where, to my understanding, they use yet another connector so that's not surprising I guess. Either way I guess it'll be a while until things switch over fully to NACS.

I'd also heard rumors that wireless Android Auto and Apple Carplay were missing from older models because of licensing costs, but yeah I suppose we'll never get that officially confirmed.

I took my old Prius into a mechanic today and they told me that it just needed some relatively minor work (ignition coils and spark plugs) that was around $350 to fix, so it's hanging on for a while yet. I'm hoping to get it across the magic threshold of 300,000 miles or, if not that, at least until the 2025 Ioniq 5s releases this summer!   

Just now, Spork3245 said:

 

Counterpoint: if you stay pessimistic and expect the worst you’ll never be disappointed

Sure, but you're probably not much fun at parties.  

1 hour ago, TUFKAK said:

Trump is winning and we need to come to terms with that horrifying reality.

I'm with @Reputator on this. I'm not trying to call you (TUFKAK) or anybody out in particular on this; I've just noticed a lot of cynicism, both here and online in general.

I think it's far easier to just say "oh we're fucked" because then we don't have to do anything. If things are already decided, what's the point in struggling against something we don't like?  But nothing is decided yet and, whether anyone wants to call me naive or an eternal optimist or a fool, I don't think it is ever too late to do what's right. Even if it doesn't fix things entirely, if it makes things better, it's worth it. 

I will just point out that this video is three years old on YouTube. 

7 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

OOC, did you try looking for 2023s or only 2024s? I think the 2024s just started arriving at dealerships in the past 4-5 weeks.

 

EDIT: I don't think there was much in the way of changes for 2024 besides some options being shifted around, but if you wanted to go 2024 but can only find a 2023 and like the 2023, the dealership should be able to transfer a 2024 over from another dealership.

I was looking for a 24, yeah, but it looks like the results on EV Finder are actually worse for 23s; nothing within 500 miles.  

However, they announced last night (right as I was about to go to bed so I ended up staying up away too late reading about it ) that the 2025 Ioniq 5 is going to fix basically every complaint people had about previous generations:

Rear wiper, OTA updates, wireless Android Auto, actual buttons for the seat heaters/ventilated seats, better phone charger placement, USB C instead of USB A...

Plus a slightly more energy dense battery that adds another 20 miles or so of range, all without changing the amazing charging speed and no raise in MSRP. 

Launching in Korea this month (  ), hopefully in the US by summer. 

21 hours ago, Ominous said:

@Nokra my plan was to lease until Ford came out with 0 percent financing. I'm a big fan of leasing, assuming the miles works for you, but even with tech changing I couldn't pass up 0 percent and all the discounts. I have 3 kids though so in 5 years, or less, it will be nice to have a car with no payment on it since my oldest will be nearing driving age.... 😳

Yeah that makes total sense to me; giving the kids a reliable but not brand new car is an excellent idea.  

I'm a little uncertain about the mile limitation on a lease, for me. I believe I've typically been well under the usual 10,000 mi./year limit, though I did e.g. rent a car to go to my parents' house (in southern Idaho, whereas I'm in Portland, OR) specifically because my car is old and lacking some features (e.g. AWD for the snowy mountain pass). If I had my own car I'd drive it instead of a rental, but that would be another 1,000 miles round trip easily; it could get close. Plus I'm sure with a new car, I'd want to take it out and drive it all the time.

Anyway Hyundai is also offering 0% APR for 60 months on the 2024 Ioniq 5 through the end of the month (and likely beyond). They're also offering a $7,500 cash option; I'll have to check with a car payment calculator again but I believe it turns out to be practically identical in terms of monthly payment amount, depending on the APR of the loan I'd be able to get, how much of a down payment, etc.

20 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

That’s the top-end one, there’s two cheaper engine/battery options with less horsepower and more range (I think 300 miles?). Yes, they all share the same platform (GV60, Ioniq, EV6), it’s like with Toyota -> Lexus, Honda -> Acura, or VW -> Audi; if you look at a Honda Civic and an Acura Integra, they share the same chassis and many characteristics, but the ride and many features will be different between the two, and of course the inside will typically be nicer on the Acura.

It may or may not be worth the extra money to splurge for the Genesis over the Kia or Hyundai, however, those test drives are free (minus your time  ), so you may as well take a look at all of them before deciding and see if the added features and better materials make the Genesis worth it.

Obviously do not look at trims/engines-versions that are out of your range or aren’t interested in, as that will just give you heavy fomo.  So, just know what you want before heading in for the test drives.

 

Leasing can be nice as you get to swap out to a new car every 36-39 months, and with EVs it may be the better option. Whether it’s worth it or not depends on you (of course), and what kind of incentives they have for leasing vs financing. Best thing to do would be to have the dealership price out both options for you and know roughly how many miles/year you typically drive (for the lease). Also, with a lease, most recommend not putting anything down, I tend to disagree with that, but I will note not to do more than $3-6k; basically every $1k you put down is about $30/month from your payment, and it’s best to at least cover tax + title IMO. 

I also want to note that the used market is still shit. Prices have come down but any used car a dealership purchased during that pricing boom has zero room for negotiation due to what they paid for it and how much they already had to drop the price. We’re still at a point that you can often get a new car for not much more than a 4-5 year old used version after incentives and negotiating.

You're absolutely right that some test drives need to happen soon, but....I used EV Finder to find one and the nearest one is up in Seattle, about 150 miles away.  So that right there might be the clincher for not getting one of those.

I appreciate the note on the used car market. I was also considering going used, but was finding pretty much exactly what you're describing: the prices for a used car are not a lot better than for a brand new car, and personally I'd rather have the full warranty, tech improvements, etc.

As far as offers and incentives, Hyundai is offering:

Purchase

1. 0% APR for 60 months, or
2. a $7,500 cash offer towards the purchase

Lease

1. $489/month for 36 months with $3,503 due at signing for a lease. 

A lease certainly has some appeal; besides the lower monthly cost, it lets me try out an EV for a couple years to see if I like it. And if I do like it, I can of course still buy the vehicle. 

I wanted to watch the previous Dune movie, but because it was leaving Netflix before I could get to it, I downloaded it to my tablet and then turned off wifi. Turns out, Netflix has wised up to this strategy and it still wouldn't let me play it.  

13 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

 

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Are these real, or AI? If real... goddamn. 

9 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

@Nokra

 

 

Thanks, I'll check it out in more detail! I've seen a couple other short YouTube videos about it and my impression is that, while it seems very nice, it may not be worth the cost of the upgrade over the Ioniq 5 to me. I think coming from 78 horsepower on my Prius, the 320 of the Ioniq is already going to feel insane enough without going to the 429 of the GV60  , and beyond that it seems like a lot of the extra cost goes towards the interior materials, which I think will also be plenty nice on the Ioniq. Otherwise they actually use the same 800-volt E-GMP architecture, so they have the same 10-80% in 18 minute charge time.

I have to take my Prius into the shop on Monday; it's been having some misfires, so my current debate is how much I'm willing to spend to repair such an old car vs. get a new one. KBB says the car is only worth $1,100 to $2,300, so my threshold is low.  Then the debate becomes whether to buy or lease. I've never bought a new new car and I've also never leased any car, so I'm a complete n00b with either, but.... with how quickly the tech is changing, I'm wondering if a lease might make more sense.

Just now, Comet said:

I’m in Texas so Toyota doesn’t build and ship any of the new Prius Primes here so I just ordered one from VA and received it. I remember when I was so excited for the Model 3 some 5 years ago. Blaugh 

Nice, congrats on the new car! Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime were two other options I've been considering. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just feel like Toyota is a good 5-10 years behind on the tech side of things so that's a bit dissuading to me personally, but they're rock solid cars for sure! 

2 minutes ago, Ominous said:

I had a level 2 installed in 2018, and I have not had a plug in since 2020..it was nice flipping the breaker and getting a nice quick enough charge at home. Not sure I'd be able to deal with no charger at home, even though I have ample charging options at work.  One of these days I'll need to get on the freeway and try the hands free Bluecruise....maybe. 

I pay $200/month to have a spot in my building's garage and a couple years ago when I was first considering the Ioniq 5, I asked my building's management company if they had ever considered putting in chargers for the tenants. They said they'd look into it, but they never got back to me and in the meantime I ended up just repairing my current car (2007 Prius with about 289k miles on it). Maybe it's time to put in another inquiry, because yeah having your vehicle always ready to go 250+ miles would be awesome, for sure. Presumably there are still tax incentives for them to put in chargers also. 

Yeah, beyond its (IMO awesome) style, incredible charge time (10-80% in 18 minutes in the right conditions), and its above-average range (250+ miles), the biggest things that sell me on the Ioniq 5 vs. basically any other vehicle in its class (ID.4, Mustang Mach-E, etc.) are just all of the "nice to haves" that they include (at least in the Limited trim). From its panoramic sunroof (with a sunshade, unlike Teslas), powered lift gate (vs. Mach E), heated and ventilated seats (vs. ID.4), adaptive cruise control and lane centering, a HUD showing directions and other info, excellent warranty, etc. I'm in love.  

My biggest hesitation is just having no home charging in my apartment building, though I do have cheap ($0.10 / kWh) charging at work at least. 

Awesome, congrats on the new best friend! He's adorable! 

2 minutes ago, Ominous said:

@Spork3245 I got the regular GT. I think it made my wife pee a little when I did 0-60 for her while she was reading something on her phone.  It makes me smile. 

Awesome, congrats on the new car! How was the dealership experience? If you don't mind me asking: were you able to get anything below MSRP? It seems like EVs are going for below MSRP these days, which is a big change from even a year ago when they were experiencing $10k "market adjustments" from scummy dealers. 

10 hours ago, Littleronin said:

Here is a snapshot from my weather station at the house of the winds since the warning started. It was extended around 5pm for an extra day. 

 What weather station do you have?  This is really cool!

4 hours ago, Firewithin said:

GOP candidate for governor outed as KKK member after cross burning photo emerges - Alternet.org

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3 hours ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

There's also a different between not being able to form thoughts and sentences, and not being able to get through them without messing up. Biden falls into the former, which can be attributed to age, and also his stutter. Trump falls more into the former, where he sounds okay but his actual thoughts don't make sense.

With the way this came out, I think you might also belong in the "former" category. 

@Remarkableriots Sounds like you were able to resolve this, then?

You can also verify that the expected GPU is present by going into the Device Manager by right-clicking on the Start menu and selecting "Device Manager". 

Expand the category called "Display Adapters" and you should see your 4060 listed in there. 

Happy Birthday, @Remarkableriots!

I hope you know that you are very much appreciated around here (personally, I read all of your posts, even if I don't comment), and likewise I hope you have a wonderful birthday and did something fun to celebrate! Here's to many more!