Kal-El814 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Hey all, Have a buddy who wants a gaming PC and doesn't want to build their own. They'll be playing at 1440p and have a budget of ~$1200 Any thoughts on this one? Are you a human? WWW.NEWEGG.COM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 26 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Hey all, Have a buddy who wants a gaming PC and doesn't want to build their own. They'll be playing at 1440p and have a budget of ~$1200 Any thoughts on this one? Are you a human? WWW.NEWEGG.COM Not really, and that price is pretty terrible for the specs IMO. https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Prebuilt-Gaming-PC-GM-99608 There's a coupon code for 10% off right now which should drop it to ~$1395 " LIMIK " . I think it's OOS right now, but just check back throughout the week. These are also much better options: MSI AEGIS RS 12TE-414US (i7, RTX 3080) COMPUTERS.WOOT.COM MSI AEGIS RS 12TE-414US (i7, RTX 3080) MSI AEGIS RS 12TE-256US (i7, RTX 3080) COMPUTERS.WOOT.COM MSI AEGIS RS 12TE-256US (i7, RTX 3080) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I play on 1440p with a 1070. Which was fine for 2016 lol. Ran RE4make interlaced to get 60 frames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 If you're buying a PC for 1440p, I would avoid any GPU with less than 10GB of VRAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Yeah that’s a horrible value. The pricing is bad right now unfortunately and there is so much old 3000 series stock they are trying to clear out. https://www.newegg.com/yeyian-ypi-sh34f0b-4701u/p/3D5-002P-00038 This is $200 over budget and you’d have to research on that brand as I never heard of it, but just as an example of something more like I’d aim for. I would try to get a 4070 if possible for 1440p. The 12gb vram will help and dlss3 will push the life span of the whole thing way up. I do see there were some $1200 now expired prebuilt 4070 desktops so my recommendation is to check slickdeals and other sales for a 4070 prebuilt then jump on it once there’s one with the right price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, stepee said: Yeah that’s a horrible value. The pricing is bad right now unfortunately and there is so much old 3000 series stock they are trying to clear out. https://www.newegg.com/yeyian-ypi-sh34f0b-4701u/p/3D5-002P-00038 This is $200 over budget and you’d have to research on that brand as I never heard of it, but just as an example of something more like I’d aim for. I would try to get a 4070 if possible for 1440p. The 12gb vram will help and dlss3 will push the life span of the whole thing way up. I do see there were some $1200 now expired prebuilt 4070 desktops so my recommendation is to check slickdeals and other sales for a 4070 prebuilt then jump on it once there’s one with the right price. Yea, 4070 or 4070 Ti is the way to go, unless there's a killer deal on a 3080 or 3080 Ti system with a 12700k/5800x3D or better CPU tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 If you're Budget focused, there is probably a POV that waiting a couple of months for the 4060Ti 16GB makes some sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: If you're Budget focused, there is probably a POV that waiting a couple of months for the 4060Ti 16GB makes some sense. This also is an option! I really recommend not jumping on anything 3000 series or really amd unless it’s an insane deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: If you're Budget focused, there is probably a POV that waiting a couple of months for the 4060Ti 16GB makes some sense. I'd advise against this. That thing is an actual POS with it's 128bit ram bus. It's meant as a 1080p card, even the 16gb variant, and (the 8gb version) barely keeps up with a 3070. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Spork3245 said: I'd advise against this. That thing is an actual POS with it's 128bit ram bus. It's meant as a 1080p card, even the 16gb variant, and barely keeps up with a 3070. The challenge is the price of GPUs at the moment, can you get a 4070 prebuilt at or under $1,200? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: The challenge is the price of GPUs at the moment, can you get a 4070 prebuilt at or under $1,200? ~ would mean approximate, which is why I'm recommending an extra $200-ish for 1440p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: ~ would mean approximate, which is why I'm recommending an extra $200-ish for 1440p Makes sense -- the bigger the budget, the better. However, if the Budget is $1,200.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: However, if the Budget is $1,200.... *Approximately $1,200................................................................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Just now, Spork3245 said: *Approximately $1,200................................................................................. Lol. Your tilda is a lot bigger than mine. ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Lol. Your tilda is a lot bigger than mine. ~ There's no tilde in that reply. And if you're talking price it's about 15%, and since Kal liked my +$200 suggestions, I'm not really sure why you're arguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 I did see a couple $1200 (well one was 1250) prebuilt 4070 desktops form slickdeals. I think you can do it, you just gotta be on the look out..or drop the extra $200 makes it easier. I forgot about the bus with the 4060 but I would still pick that easily over a 3070 desktop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, stepee said: I did see a couple $1200 (well one was 1250) prebuilt 4070 desktops form slickdeals. I think you can do it, you just gotta be on the look out..or drop the extra $200 makes it easier. I forgot about the bus with the 4060 but I would still pick that easily over a 3070 desktop. Yea, same, I've also seen 3080 equipped PCs around $1100-1200 in the past few months but none of those deals are active and I'm not a fan of the CPU in one of them (5600x... like... why). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Just now, Spork3245 said: Yea, same, I've also seen 3080 equipped PCs around $1100-1200 in the past few months but none of those deals are active and I'm not a fan of the CPU in one of them (5600x... like... why). Lol yeah I kept seeing 5600x when I was looking just now for this topic, must have a lot of those laying around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 What's a good build for a 1440p/144hz PC (not pre-built)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Pikachu said: What's a good build for a 1440p/144hz PC (not pre-built)? Depends on budget. Did you want us to do a full build? Regardless… GPU: 4070 Ti or better CPU: 13600k or better 5800x3D (only if you’re already on AM4 and are just upgrading the CPU) 7700x (the 7800-7950x are slower for gaming) 7800x3D (the 7900x3D-7950x3D are slower for gaming unless you disable some stuff to basically turn it into the 7800x3D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Spork3245 said: Depends on budget. Did you want us to do a full build? Regardless… GPU: 4070 Ti or better CPU: 13600k or better 5800x3D (only if you’re already on AM4 and are just upgrading the CPU) 7700x (the 7800-7950x are slower for gaming) 7800x3D (the 7900x3D-7950x3D are slower for gaming unless you disable some stuff to basically turn it into the 7800x3D) Yeah I need to do it from stratch? What do you think of this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/z3G323/magnificent-intel-gamingstreaming-build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 43 minutes ago, Pikachu said: Yeah I need to do it from stratch? What do you think of this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/z3G323/magnificent-intel-gamingstreaming-build Not bad, here’s an alternative (I tried to keep the price similar): the 13600k and 13700k are about 5% off from each other in 1440p gaming. I upped the ram to DDR5 7000mhz, got your rgb to match/be syncable with each other, and upped your SSD to 2tb. Lastly, I switched the case to the airflow version instead of the one with the tempered glass front (the airflow is a mesh front and your PC will run significantly cooler) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xPMbNc What you posted is fine, but, with a 13000 series Intel CPU, if you’re doing a DDR4 build, I’d suggest 3600mhz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Pikachu said: Yeah I need to do it from stratch? What do you think of this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/z3G323/magnificent-intel-gamingstreaming-build For pure gaming, an AMD 7800x3D is the best high end value you can get right now, and with the hopium that AM5 is a new socket that should be supported longer than Intel's current gen. Also avoid DDR4 for Intel 13th gen gaming. Productivity performance is fine, but gaming performance takes a huge hit compared to DDR5. This would be a 7800x3D + 4070 Ti build for you to not think about upgrading the CPU for a while. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WWfysL Or this is a 7600 + 4080 build to maximize 1440p performance right now, but the 7600 will probably only last one more GPU generation before it starts showing its age. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wZ9c3y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Thank you so much guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 6 hours ago, cusideabelincoln said: For pure gaming, an AMD 7800x3D is the best high end value you can get right now, and with the hopium that AM5 is a new socket that should be supported longer than Intel's current gen. Also avoid DDR4 for Intel 13th gen gaming. Productivity performance is fine, but gaming performance takes a huge hit compared to DDR5. This would be a 7800x3D + 4070 Ti build for you to not think about upgrading the CPU for a while. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WWfysL Or this is a 7600 + 4080 build to maximize 1440p performance right now, but the 7600 will probably only last one more GPU generation before it starts showing its age. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wZ9c3y 4 hours ago, Pikachu said: Thank you so much guys! I like the second build there a lot, but I’d consider swapping to a 7700x for an extra $80-90 for the extra two cores which will help outside of gaming, also, if you plan to do any Switch emulation the 7700x has a notable advantage over the 7600 & 7600x iirc. In normal PC gaming they’re not too far off from one another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Spork3245 said: I like the second build there a lot, but I’d consider swapping to a 7700x for an extra $80-90 for the extra two cores which will help outside of gaming, also, if you plan to do any Switch emulation the 7700x has a notable advantage over the 7600 & 7600x iirc. In normal PC gaming they’re not too far off from one another. The 7700X is a good option, as I have a feeling games/Windows OS are going to outgrow even fast 6 core CPUs now that we're seeing support for PS4/Xbone being dropped by developers. So, that gives 6 core CPUs another 3 years, tops, of relevance, but as little as 1 more year. It's definitely good the 7600 is pretty cheap though, so not a huge investment if that happens, and Zen 5 will probably be a banger upgrade. I'm not sure why Switch emulation would be considerably worse on the 7600. It's primarily single-thread bound and in-game performance doesn't scale much past 6 cores, although compiling shaders will be faster with more threads. I tested TOTK with 6c/6t and it performed the same as 12c/24t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 4 hours ago, cusideabelincoln said: The 7700X is a good option, as I have a feeling games/Windows OS are going to outgrow even fast 6 core CPUs now that we're seeing support for PS4/Xbone being dropped by developers. So, that gives 6 core CPUs another 3 years, tops, of relevance, but as little as 1 more year. It's definitely good the 7600 is pretty cheap though, so not a huge investment if that happens, and Zen 5 will probably be a banger upgrade. I'm not sure why Switch emulation would be considerably worse on the 7600. It's primarily single-thread bound and in-game performance doesn't scale much past 6 cores, although compiling shaders will be faster with more threads. I tested TOTK with 6c/6t and it performed the same as 12c/24t. It's almost a 20% performance increases for the 7700x vs the 7600 in Mario Kart Switch emu, PS3 emu is about 16%: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/16.html I'm guessing it's the clock speed differences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Spork3245 said: It's almost a 20% performance increases for the 7700x vs the 7600 in Mario Kart Switch emu, PS3 emu is about 16%: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/16.html I'm guessing it's the clock speed differences? I typically consider the X and non-X versions the same. Since AMD doesn't lockdown any overclocking or tuning you can turn overclock or use PBO to turn a 7600 into a 7600X, or you can do the reverse and turn a 7600X into a lower power consumption chip by changing the PBO target. You would just have to be really unlucky with the silicon lottery if you bought a non-X chip that couldn't come close to an X. I was scratching my head as to why the 7600 in that review was performing so much worse than the official 7600 review, and why the 7600 was having a huge drop off compared to the 7600X while the 7700 had little drop off compared to the 7700X. But I found the reason on the temperature benchmarks; He made an error while benchmarking the 7600 and probably didn't correctly mount the cooler, as you can clearly see the 7600 is hitting the 95 C temperature limit and limiting its clockspeed. The 7600 is only a 65W part like the 7700, so it should never come close to hitting the 95C limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 8 hours ago, cusideabelincoln said: I typically consider the X and non-X versions the same. Since AMD doesn't lockdown any overclocking or tuning you can turn overclock or use PBO to turn a 7600 into a 7600X, or you can do the reverse and turn a 7600X into a lower power consumption chip by changing the PBO target. You would just have to be really unlucky with the silicon lottery if you bought a non-X chip that couldn't come close to an X. I was scratching my head as to why the 7600 in that review was performing so much worse than the official 7600 review, and why the 7600 was having a huge drop off compared to the 7600X while the 7700 had little drop off compared to the 7700X. But I found the reason on the temperature benchmarks; He made an error while benchmarking the 7600 and probably didn't correctly mount the cooler, as you can clearly see the 7600 is hitting the 95 C temperature limit and limiting its clockspeed. The 7600 is only a 65W part like the 7700, so it should never come close to hitting the 95C limit. Ah, so the 7600 is getting throttled compared to the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Spork3245 said: Ah, so the 7600 is getting throttled compared to the others. Yeah, but AMD CPUs just had a price drop so the 7700X is more tempting now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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