PC Tech This a good prebuilt for 1440p?

[Kal-El814]

Hey all,

 

Have a buddy who wants a gaming PC and doesn't want to build their own. They'll be playing at 1440p and have a budget of ~$1200

 

Any thoughts on this one?

 

Are you a human?

WWW.NEWEGG.COM

 

 

 

[Spork3245]

26 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

Hey all,

 

Have a buddy who wants a gaming PC and doesn't want to build their own. They'll be playing at 1440p and have a budget of ~$1200

 

Any thoughts on this one?

 

Are you a human?

WWW.NEWEGG.COM

 

 

 

 

Not really, and that price is pretty terrible for the specs IMO.

 

https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Prebuilt-Gaming-PC-GM-99608

There's a coupon code for 10% off right now which should drop it to ~$1395 " LIMIK " . I think it's OOS right now, but just check back throughout the week.

 

These are also much better options: 

MSI AEGIS RS 12TE-414US (i7, RTX 3080)

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MSI AEGIS RS 12TE-414US (i7, RTX 3080)

 

MSI AEGIS RS 12TE-256US (i7, RTX 3080)

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MSI AEGIS RS 12TE-256US (i7, RTX 3080)

 

 

 

[Bacon]

I play on 1440p with a 1070. Which was fine for 2016 lol. Ran RE4make interlaced to get 60 frames.

[AbsolutSurgen]

If you're buying a PC for 1440p, I would avoid any GPU with less than 10GB of VRAM.

[stepee]

Yeah that’s a horrible value. The pricing is bad right now unfortunately and there is so much old 3000 series stock they are trying to clear out.

 

https://www.newegg.com/yeyian-ypi-sh34f0b-4701u/p/3D5-002P-00038

 

This is $200 over budget and you’d have to research on that brand as I never heard of it, but just as an example of something more like I’d aim for. I would try to get a 4070 if possible for 1440p. The 12gb vram will help and dlss3 will push the life span of the whole thing way up. I do see there were some $1200 now expired prebuilt 4070 desktops so my recommendation is to check slickdeals and other sales for a 4070 prebuilt then jump on it once there’s one with the right price.

[Spork3245]

3 minutes ago, stepee said:

Yeah that’s a horrible value. The pricing is bad right now unfortunately and there is so much old 3000 series stock they are trying to clear out.

 

https://www.newegg.com/yeyian-ypi-sh34f0b-4701u/p/3D5-002P-00038

 

This is $200 over budget and you’d have to research on that brand as I never heard of it, but just as an example of something more like I’d aim for. I would try to get a 4070 if possible for 1440p. The 12gb vram will help and dlss3 will push the life span of the whole thing way up. I do see there were some $1200 now expired prebuilt 4070 desktops so my recommendation is to check slickdeals and other sales for a 4070 prebuilt then jump on it once there’s one with the right price.

 

Yea, 4070 or 4070 Ti is the way to go, unless there's a killer deal on a 3080 or 3080 Ti system with a 12700k/5800x3D or better CPU tbh

[AbsolutSurgen]

If you're Budget focused, there is probably a POV that waiting a couple of months for the 4060Ti 16GB makes some sense.

[stepee]

1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

If you're Budget focused, there is probably a POV that waiting a couple of months for the 4060Ti 16GB makes some sense.

 

This also is an option! I really recommend not jumping on anything 3000 series or really amd unless it’s an insane deal.

[Spork3245]

4 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

If you're Budget focused, there is probably a POV that waiting a couple of months for the 4060Ti 16GB makes some sense.

 

I'd advise against this. That thing is an actual POS with it's 128bit ram bus. It's meant as a 1080p card, even the 16gb variant, and (the 8gb version) barely keeps up with a 3070.

[AbsolutSurgen]

1 minute ago, Spork3245 said:

 

I'd advise against this. That thing is an actual POS with it's 128bit ram bus. It's meant as a 1080p card, even the 16gb variant, and barely keeps up with a 3070.

The challenge is the price of GPUs at the moment, can you get a 4070 prebuilt at or under $1,200?

[Spork3245]

17 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

The challenge is the price of GPUs at the moment, can you get a 4070 prebuilt at or under $1,200?

 

~ would mean approximate, which is why I'm recommending an extra $200-ish for 1440p  

[AbsolutSurgen]

25 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

~ would mean approximate, which is why I'm recommending an extra $200-ish for 1440p  

Makes sense -- the bigger the budget, the better.

However, if the Budget is $1,200....

[Spork3245]

5 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

However, if the Budget is $1,200....

 

*Approximately $1,200.................................................................................

[AbsolutSurgen]

Just now, Spork3245 said:

 

*Approximately $1,200.................................................................................

Lol.  Your tilda is a lot bigger than mine.

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[Spork3245]

2 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

Lol.  Your tilda is a lot bigger than mine.

~

 

There's no tilde in that reply. And if you're talking price it's about 15%, and since Kal liked my +$200 suggestions, I'm not really sure why you're arguing. 

[stepee]

I did see a couple $1200 (well one was 1250) prebuilt 4070 desktops form slickdeals. I think you can do it, you just gotta be on the look out..or drop the extra $200 makes it easier. I forgot about the bus with the 4060 but I would still pick that easily over a 3070 desktop.

[Spork3245]

2 minutes ago, stepee said:

I did see a couple $1200 (well one was 1250) prebuilt 4070 desktops form slickdeals. I think you can do it, you just gotta be on the look out..or drop the extra $200 makes it easier. I forgot about the bus with the 4060 but I would still pick that easily over a 3070 desktop.

 

Yea, same, I've also seen 3080 equipped PCs around $1100-1200 in the past few months but none of those deals are active and I'm not a fan of the CPU in one of them (5600x... like... why).

[stepee]

Just now, Spork3245 said:

 

Yea, same, I've also seen 3080 equipped PCs around $1100-1200 in the past few months but none of those deals are active and I'm not a fan of the CPU in one of them (5600x... like... why).

 

Lol yeah I kept seeing 5600x when I was looking just now for this topic, must have a lot of those laying around 

[Pikachu]

What's a good build for a 1440p/144hz PC (not pre-built)?

[Spork3245]

1 hour ago, Pikachu said:

What's a good build for a 1440p/144hz PC (not pre-built)?

Depends on budget. Did you want us to do a full build? Regardless…

 

GPU:
4070 Ti or better

 

CPU:

13600k or better

5800x3D (only if you’re already on AM4 and are just upgrading the CPU)

7700x (the 7800-7950x are slower for gaming)

7800x3D (the 7900x3D-7950x3D are slower for gaming unless you disable some stuff to basically turn it into the 7800x3D)

[Pikachu]

1 hour ago, Spork3245 said:

Depends on budget. Did you want us to do a full build? Regardless…

 

GPU:
4070 Ti or better

 

CPU:

13600k or better

5800x3D (only if you’re already on AM4 and are just upgrading the CPU)

7700x (the 7800-7950x are slower for gaming)

7800x3D (the 7900x3D-7950x3D are slower for gaming unless you disable some stuff to basically turn it into the 7800x3D)

 

Yeah I need to do it from stratch?

 

What do you think of this build?

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/z3G323/magnificent-intel-gamingstreaming-build

[Spork3245]

43 minutes ago, Pikachu said:

 

Yeah I need to do it from stratch?

 

What do you think of this build?

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/z3G323/magnificent-intel-gamingstreaming-build

Not bad, here’s an alternative (I tried to keep the price similar): the 13600k and 13700k are about 5% off from each other in 1440p gaming. I upped the ram to DDR5 7000mhz, got your rgb to match/be syncable with each other, and upped your SSD to 2tb. Lastly, I switched the case to the airflow version instead of the one with the tempered glass front (the airflow is a mesh front and your PC will run significantly cooler)

 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xPMbNc

 

What you posted is fine, but, with a 13000 series Intel CPU, if you’re doing a DDR4 build, I’d suggest 3600mhz.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

2 hours ago, Pikachu said:

 

Yeah I need to do it from stratch?

 

What do you think of this build?

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/z3G323/magnificent-intel-gamingstreaming-build

 

For pure gaming, an AMD 7800x3D is the best high end value you can get right now, and with the hopium that AM5 is a new socket that should be supported longer than Intel's current gen. 

 

Also avoid DDR4 for Intel 13th gen gaming. Productivity performance is fine, but gaming performance takes a huge hit compared to DDR5.

 

This would be a 7800x3D + 4070 Ti build for you to not think about upgrading the CPU for a while.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WWfysL

 

Or this is a 7600 + 4080 build to maximize 1440p performance right now, but the 7600 will probably only last one more GPU generation before it starts showing its age. 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wZ9c3y

 

[Pikachu]

Thank you so much guys!

[Spork3245]

6 hours ago, cusideabelincoln said:

 

For pure gaming, an AMD 7800x3D is the best high end value you can get right now, and with the hopium that AM5 is a new socket that should be supported longer than Intel's current gen. 

 

Also avoid DDR4 for Intel 13th gen gaming. Productivity performance is fine, but gaming performance takes a huge hit compared to DDR5.

 

This would be a 7800x3D + 4070 Ti build for you to not think about upgrading the CPU for a while.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WWfysL

 

Or this is a 7600 + 4080 build to maximize 1440p performance right now, but the 7600 will probably only last one more GPU generation before it starts showing its age. 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wZ9c3y

 

 

4 hours ago, Pikachu said:

Thank you so much guys!

I like the second build there a lot, but I’d consider swapping to a 7700x for an extra $80-90 for the extra two cores which will help outside of gaming, also, if you plan to do any Switch emulation the 7700x has a notable advantage over the 7600 & 7600x iirc. In normal PC gaming they’re not too far off from one another.

[cusideabelincoln]

9 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

 

I like the second build there a lot, but I’d consider swapping to a 7700x for an extra $80-90 for the extra two cores which will help outside of gaming, also, if you plan to do any Switch emulation the 7700x has a notable advantage over the 7600 & 7600x iirc. In normal PC gaming they’re not too far off from one another.

 

The 7700X is a good option, as I have a feeling games/Windows OS are going to outgrow even fast 6 core CPUs now that we're seeing support for PS4/Xbone being dropped by developers.  So, that gives 6 core CPUs another 3 years, tops, of relevance, but as little as 1 more year.  It's definitely good the 7600 is pretty cheap though, so not a huge investment if that happens, and Zen 5 will probably be a banger upgrade.

 

I'm not sure why Switch emulation would be considerably worse on the 7600. It's primarily single-thread bound and in-game performance doesn't scale much past 6 cores, although compiling shaders will be faster with more threads. I tested TOTK with 6c/6t and it performed the same as 12c/24t.

[Spork3245]

4 hours ago, cusideabelincoln said:

 

The 7700X is a good option, as I have a feeling games/Windows OS are going to outgrow even fast 6 core CPUs now that we're seeing support for PS4/Xbone being dropped by developers.  So, that gives 6 core CPUs another 3 years, tops, of relevance, but as little as 1 more year.  It's definitely good the 7600 is pretty cheap though, so not a huge investment if that happens, and Zen 5 will probably be a banger upgrade.

 

I'm not sure why Switch emulation would be considerably worse on the 7600. It's primarily single-thread bound and in-game performance doesn't scale much past 6 cores, although compiling shaders will be faster with more threads. I tested TOTK with 6c/6t and it performed the same as 12c/24t.

 

It's almost a 20% performance increases for the 7700x vs the 7600 in Mario Kart Switch emu, PS3 emu is about 16%: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/16.html

I'm guessing it's the clock speed differences?

 

 

 

[cusideabelincoln]

2 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

 

It's almost a 20% performance increases for the 7700x vs the 7600 in Mario Kart Switch emu, PS3 emu is about 16%: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/16.html

I'm guessing it's the clock speed differences?

 

 

 

 

I typically consider the X and non-X versions the same. Since AMD doesn't lockdown any overclocking or tuning you can turn overclock or use PBO to turn a 7600 into a 7600X, or you can do the reverse and turn a 7600X into a lower power consumption chip by changing the PBO target. You would just have to be really unlucky with the silicon lottery if you bought a non-X chip that couldn't come close to an X.

 

I was scratching my head as to why the 7600 in that review was performing so much worse than the official 7600 review, and why the 7600 was having a huge drop off compared to the 7600X while the 7700 had little drop off compared to the 7700X. But I found the reason on the temperature benchmarks; He made an error while benchmarking the 7600 and probably didn't correctly mount the cooler, as you can clearly see the 7600 is hitting the 95 C temperature limit and limiting its clockspeed. The 7600 is only a 65W part like the 7700, so it should never come close to hitting the 95C limit.

[Spork3245]

8 hours ago, cusideabelincoln said:

 

I typically consider the X and non-X versions the same. Since AMD doesn't lockdown any overclocking or tuning you can turn overclock or use PBO to turn a 7600 into a 7600X, or you can do the reverse and turn a 7600X into a lower power consumption chip by changing the PBO target. You would just have to be really unlucky with the silicon lottery if you bought a non-X chip that couldn't come close to an X.

 

I was scratching my head as to why the 7600 in that review was performing so much worse than the official 7600 review, and why the 7600 was having a huge drop off compared to the 7600X while the 7700 had little drop off compared to the 7700X. But I found the reason on the temperature benchmarks; He made an error while benchmarking the 7600 and probably didn't correctly mount the cooler, as you can clearly see the 7600 is hitting the 95 C temperature limit and limiting its clockspeed. The 7600 is only a 65W part like the 7700, so it should never come close to hitting the 95C limit.

Ah, so the 7600 is getting throttled compared to the others.

[cusideabelincoln]

11 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

Ah, so the 7600 is getting throttled compared to the others.

 

Yeah, but AMD CPUs just had a price drop so the 7700X is more tempting now.