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Utah leg. and gov. gut voter-approved Medicaid expansion

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https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2019/02/11/utahs-senate-gives-final/

 

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Utah’s voter-approved Medicaid expansion initiative was replaced Monday with a program that is more restrictive, initially more costly, and contingent on a series of uncertain federal concessions.

 

Utah lawmakers and Gov. Gary Herbert, though, say the bill is more economically sound over the long term.

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“I do not accept the characterization that SB96 ignores the will of the people. I see this as a thoughtful effort to implement the will of the people to care for the poor with quality health care with the added benefit that it can be sustained over the long term with no reduction in other important social services," [Herbert] said.

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Monday’s vote was criticized as “insulting” by the United Utah Party, a centrist political organization that aims to appeal to disaffected voters from both major parties.

 

In a statement, United Utah Party Chairman Richard Davis said lawmakers had ignored research showing the economic value of a healthy population and that their action on SB96 would erode voter confidence.

 

“If anyone wonders why so many people become cynical about politics,” Davis said, "all they have to do is look at what the Legislature did to Proposition 3.”

 

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Majority of people in state want something and vote to pass it. It passes. Republicans block it anyway.

 

Democracy?

 

Anyone who calls America a representative democracy is only fooling themselves at this point. A majority of people in the country support X, Y, Z on a federal level too and that shit can't get passed either. 

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2 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said:

Majority of people in state want something and vote to pass it. It passes. Republicans block it anyway.

 

Democracy?

 

Anyone who calls America a representative democracy is only fooling themselves at this point. A majority of people in the country support X, Y, Z on a federal level too and that shit can't get passed either. 

 

There's also the aspect, however, of "majority of people in state want something, but keep voting for people opposed to what they want."

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At the same time, let's not pretend that we should always "trust" the people to know what's best for them, especially in plebiscite issues.  This is where a functional representative system comes into play that can translate those wishes (even if they are "unreasonable") into something workable or block them entirely if they are stupid.

 

However, this is not one of those cases.

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22 minutes ago, Jason said:

There's also the aspect, however, of "majority of people in state want something, but keep voting for people opposed to what they want."

 

Well the MAGA chuds do like to, as I've said, cut off their own nose to spite their own face, so yeah, it's sometimes hard to feel bad for them or anyone who votes against their own interests and then complains about the results that then affect them.

 

18 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said:

At the same time, let's not pretend that we should always "trust" the people to know what's best for them, especially in plebiscite issues.  This is where a functional representative system comes into play that can translate those wishes (even if they are "unreasonable") into something workable or block them entirely if they are stupid.

 

However, this is not one of those cases.

 

Very true, and I completely agree. 

 

But I think the pendulum has very clearly swung in the direction that a small minority is actively, consistently blocking the majority, which is right on a number of political and policy issues at this point in time. Yes, they do get it wrong (and as Jason pointed out, they'll vote for the wrong people but be right on the issue) but more often than not lately they've been getting it right. 

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I say line them up for the firing squad. With actions like this you can tell where their bread is buttered.

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Just now, Rodimus said:

I say line them up for the firing squad. With actions like this you can tell where their bread is buttered.

 

In the kitchen, by their servants?

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Just now, Jason said:

 

In the kitchen, by their servants?

They made those deicsions not for their constituants but for their donors.

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55 minutes ago, Rodimus said:

They made those deicsions not for their constituants but for their donors.

 

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