Jason Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 i7 chips will have 8 cores and 8 threads, leaving the 8 core/16 thread combination for the i9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Ryzen 2000 series is excellent. The 3000 series based on Zen 2 on 7nm is going to be incredible. I'm loving my 1800x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Does this matter for typical user? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 It's a weird move. There are still i7s with HT but now it seems it's not a guaranteed thing. Future i7s may or may not have HT depending on the whims of Intel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: Does this matter for typical user? To gamers, I don't think it makes much of a difference since Intel is upping their core counts to 6/8. For future proofing, I don't like it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: Does this matter for typical user? 5 minutes ago, Massdriver said: To gamers, I don't think it makes much of a difference since Intel is upping their core counts to 6/8. For future proofing, I don't like it though. One opinion from the Ars comments: Quote I'm going to be honest. I never noticed any real world gains with hyperthreading [with things like gaming]. I did notice huge stability improvements when OCing and turning hyperthreading off (translating into higher OCs, translating into higher per core performance, especially notable on anything not able to take advantage of more than one or a couple of threads very well). Granted that was with a chip that's now about 5? generations old. I haven't bothered reading many recent articles on hyperthreading performance, but my impression is that the picture hasn't really improved much over the years. So, personally, I'd absolutely prefer an 8 core i7 over a 6 core/12 thread one. I wouldn't have bothered buying an i7 over an i5k before this change. Now it would at least be a consideration. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/leaked-benchmarks-show-intel-is-dropping-hyperthreading-from-i7-chips/?comments=1&post=35726105#comment-35726105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 34 minutes ago, Jason said: One opinion from the Ars comments: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/leaked-benchmarks-show-intel-is-dropping-hyperthreading-from-i7-chips/?comments=1&post=35726105#comment-35726105 Hyperthreading does help in gaming with lower core counts. The best example is the i7 7700k which was the best gaming chip for a long time. It was only 4 cores but had 8 threads. In the future, IF games take advantage of more threads, then having 12 thread or 16 threads could mean smoother gaming compared to 8 cores 8 threads. As of right now, it doesn't seem to help much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 39 minutes ago, Jason said: So, personally, I'd absolutely prefer an 8 core i7 over a 6 core/12 thread one. I wouldn't have bothered buying an i7 over an i5k before this change. Now it would at least be a consideration. I think the real problem is that this is a tradeoff that shouldn't have to be made. Intel should be offering i7's with 8c/16t at a similar value as old 6c/12t processors. This is called progress; this is what you get when you innovate in the chip industry. When a new, more efficient design comes out and/or you have a new, smaller process node, you get more for your money. But what they are now doing is shifting the pricing tier up by calling the 8c/16t processors an i9 and charging more money for it. And yeah, Hyperthreading has made a huge difference on four core processors, since games have started using more than four cores. HT is also very helpful for multitasking, rendering, and encoding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 The other weird thing is that the i9 9900k (not sure that's enough 9s) is a "mainstream" platform CPU, on the Z370/390 chipset. i9 was introduced on the HEDT LGA2066 platform and it makes sense there. Now the separation of i9, i7, i5 is rendered completely arbitrary and nonsensical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGLatinBoy Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Not only that i7 are mainstream CPUs they're considered High End sure but they're a known consumer product and so dropping HT from it is a huge step back for the consumer especially those that want to do mainstream production. Video Editing especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre801 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Is this how they're justifying the i9s existence? Anyway, I am planning on going with Thread Ripper 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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