Ricofoley Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Biden tells Democratic senators he won't veto effort to rescind DC crime law | CNN Politics WWW.CNN.COM President Joe Biden surprised Democratic senators Thursday when he told them that he won't veto GOP-led legislation to rescind a controversial Washington, DC, crime law, a move that comes Democrats are divided over the contentious issue and Republicans are aggressively accusing them of being soft on crime. I've been reading about this today, and my god is this shit cowardly. It passed the DC City Council with a 12-1 vote, and now congress is going to sweep in and override that. And somehow it's able to pass the Senate with 50 votes instead of 60 in another example of how completely arcane and arbitrary the rules around the filibuster are. Anyway, what seems to be spooking BIden and other Dems into supporting this is that part of the bill lowers the penalties for carjacking, but in actually what it's doing is lowering the maximum possible sentence from 40 years to 24 years, and *under the existing law* judges already weren't actually sentencing people to as long as 24 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 The DC mayor opposing the DC crime law probably gave Biden and the Senate Democrats some degree of political cover to not oppose the rescission. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 Some more info here. The reform bill actually would've increased the penalties for some gun crimes, including attempted murder, but apparently that doesn't count as "tough on crime" Why Biden Stabbed D.C. in the Back SLATE.COM D.C.’s 700,000 residents have no senator to lobby against the bill. We can only plead, like subjects of a colony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Quote To lead the effort, the D.C. Council created a commission staffed with attorneys and an advisory group of experts. This expert group included representatives from the D.C. attorney general’s office and the U.S. attorney’s office—which, together, prosecute all crimes committed in the District. The commission also invited a representative of the mayor’s office to take part in the overhaul, though Mayor Muriel Bowser showed little interest in the process and rarely sent a representative to participate. As I wrote in January, the commission’s work was comprehensive and extensively documented. Quote In the end, the advisory group—including representatives from both prosecutors’ offices—voted unanimously to send the commission’s recommendations to the council. After making small changes, the D.C. Council unanimously passed the bill twice. After refusing to participate in the process for years, Bowser abruptly vetoed the measure, citing misunderstandings that I will address shortly. The council easily overrode her veto. (sigh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 14 hours ago, Ricofoley said: Biden tells Democratic senators he won't veto effort to rescind DC crime law | CNN Politics WWW.CNN.COM President Joe Biden surprised Democratic senators Thursday when he told them that he won't veto GOP-led legislation to rescind a controversial Washington, DC, crime law, a move that comes Democrats are divided over the contentious issue and Republicans are aggressively accusing them of being soft on crime. I've been reading about this today, and my god is this shit cowardly. It passed the DC City Council with a 12-1 vote, and now congress is going to sweep in and override that. And somehow it's able to pass the Senate with 50 votes instead of 60 in another example of how completely arcane and arbitrary the rules around the filibuster are. Anyway, what seems to be spooking BIden and other Dems into supporting this is that part of the bill lowers the penalties for carjacking, but in actually what it's doing is lowering the maximum possible sentence from 40 years to 24 years, and *under the existing law* judges already weren't actually sentencing people to as long as 24 years. People who commit car jackings should be sentenced to long stays in prison. Violent crime needs harsher punishments, not lighter ones. I'm all for criminal justice reform, but the reform should be focused on non-violent and victimless crimes. Lock up those who violate the non-aggression principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 Well, so this bill would have lowered the maximum penalty for carjacking from 40 years to 24, but would've increased the penalty for attempted murder from 5 to 22.5 years (5th paragraph from the bottom in the Slate article). If we're gonna say that long sentences have a meaningful effect on deterring crime, which one of those is going to have more of an impact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Sounds like dem electeds got owned by the idiot cops and right wing outrage over nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 35 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: Well, so this bill would have lowered the maximum penalty for carjacking from 40 years to 24, but would've increased the penalty for attempted murder from 5 to 22.5 years (5th paragraph from the bottom in the Slate article). If we're gonna say that long sentences have a meaningful effect on deterring crime, which one of those is going to have more of an impact? Do long sentences deter crime? Or do they just ensure people who have a proclivity to commit violent crime are unable to do so because they are already in prison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Sounds like dem electeds got owned by the idiot cops and right wing outrage over nothing "If we don't give them any ammunition surely they won't just make shit up to attack us with!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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