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I think listing the sales of Animal Crossing on the switch isn’t really fair to Metroid in terms of the game’s potential. Nintendo has always treated the game as a second class citizen and it has had to earn every sale. I would guess Prime vs the GC Animal Crossing sales are pretty comparable. But I dunno, the only good game other than the Prime series was like quietly released in the twilight of the 3DS lifespan. If it had been a switch launch game I have to imagine it would be a pretty big success for Nintendo. If Dread comes out and flops I’ll entertain the whole “people don’t like metroid” thing. I think it’ll be a huge game for them tho. It’s not gonna outsell AC, but that’s an unfair standard to hold it to.

I think the analogue pocket looks cool as hell, but the price of these old games prevents me from pulling the trigger on it.

I have a Wii but IIRC you can’t even buy it on there? Like A) the store is shut down? and B) I think on the Wii it was like a special reward or something for one of their obscure rewards programs It is very frustrating lol. Nintendo could have so much of my money if they wanted it.

I wish there was a good way to play fusion… i think I have access to all the other 2D ones.

One guy suggested buying $50 in tomatoes and planting more and more tomatoes until you have millions of tomatoes.

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Grab Your Lanyard. Trade Shows Are Plotting a Comeback. WWW.WSJ.COM The $11 billion industry is slowly coming back to life after a lost year. Are potential attendees ready to crowd into expo halls and hotel bars with strangers again?

I also already answered the question.

I feel like I’m talking to a skyrim NPC

You’re retreading the same points. I agree that E3 may look very different and that it’s impact has never been less, and I don’t think the industry NEEDS it, feel like I’ve said that over and over, but it’s still a relevant show. If you wanna actually break down into specifics when you think it’ll disappear or whatever, I’m willing to hear it, but at this point we’re going in circles where you keep explaining things to me that I already understand lol. And frankly I don’t think we have THAT different of a take on it, I just think the show matters a little more than you do.

Actual cost of the trade shows per company, their internal metrics of what they’re getting out of it, cost to make their internal videos, viewership of those, etc like literally any hard piece of data to back up a single claim you are making. Trade shows can also evolve over time. They do it for influencers too, which did not exist before in this way. I think if the claims you guys are so certain are true WERE true, like E3 just wouldn’t exist flat out. And once more i think it’s important to keep in mind that the pandemic has had a profound effect on everything these past two years.

If they only cared about the bottom line and E3 is useless why does E3 exist?

One final point - it is the biggest fans who end up writing the narrative overall, so you are in some fashion or another mindful of them and what they are saying about you.

A few points: 1. Austin Walker talked about this on his pod this week. He talked about the impact of the show, especially being in a physical place where he can go play games. It was a 5 minute segment on the show, where he said it sucks that they can only watch trailers - all they can do on the pod is say, hey yeah, we saw 10 seconds of this game in a trailer montage, you all saw what we saw, what more is there to say. So again ESPECIALLY with indie game where they get to go around and sample them and play games that we as viewers can't get our hands on, you bet your ass those indie developers get great value out of that, and if you wanna sit there straight faced and tell me that some random indie showcase another time in the year is going to give them the same opportunity for exposure, good on ya, I think you're lying to yourself. 2. Generally "what they're getting" can be as simple as, this is just the biggest show of the year, and I guess I disagree that it's just the hardest of hardcore of nerds who follow it. I want to re-emphasize that I don't think there's anything special or unique about E3 other than that - that it has that history as the biggest showcase of the year - but that that's not nothing. In TOTAL agreement with you guys that it has never mattered LESS, but I think ya'll are WAY exaggerating how much less it matters (seems like you feel it's essentially useless). Just reiterating the same point. And the general point I'm making is it's the E3 collection of news that is important, not that you participate in E3 directly. Which is why I talked about if a company decided to run the show competently, it COULD become a collective, cohesive show again. Lots of numbers claims without any actual data, and again I think missing the point on why they did it and the complexities of it all.

Again I would be more inclined to believe this if people had any sort of data to show this is true. It’s just a thing people seem to say.

I think you’re making a whole lot of assertive claims without any metrics whatsoever to back them up. I think just the fact that all of these companies make the effort to do SOMETHING around this time, even if it’s not part of official E3, suggests strongly that they value the eyeballs that gather around this event and time of year. Nobody needs E3, least of all the big companies. but I think you’re underselling the impact of the event. And let’s not forget last year and this year are ALL sorts of fucked up with the pandemic. The show likely would have looked very different if devs hadn’t been hampered as bad as they have.

the reasons are more complex than that. Big devs don’t NEED it and can certainly craft their own shows that would do well, but there’s still something to be said for a big expo to generate interest. I think the bigger issue is that the E3 company is very bad at what they do - if run by a more competent company that perhaps catered to what these companies desire in a show like this, I could see “E3” coming back as a pretty big celebration of gaming as a whole where all parties feel like they’re benefiting. But the other part of this is smaller devs and indies get a ton of mileage out of these shows and it can make or break their game. I don’t think it’s accurate at all to say they’re doing it for “cranky gamers.”

I will say Yakuza Like a Dragon was almost enough to get me to just subscribe then and there. I’ve been eyeing it for a while. But I’m deep in a FF14 hole and also working through the Mass Effect trilogy and FF12, so I can’t justify another subscription. I keep saying it, I just am leery of subscription based shit now. It’s changed the way I watch shows and stuff for the worse I think.

@BloodyHell I do think there are years where you can kind of make generalized objective summations of like, well this company’s presentation was clearly one that generated more excitement or whatever, but I don’t think this is one of those years. I just think you happen to value gamepass more than many people who are stoked about Nintendo’s games. Gamepass is kinda useless to me at the rate I play games. As a multiplatform show it was really nice but it wasn’t like oh man I need to get me an Xbox.

Yeah but what was announced that I can’t play on other platforms, new stuff I wasn’t expecting, etc. Like we knew starfield was coming, we knew halo was coming. Nice to see that type of stuff but this has been my lack of excitement with MS for a while. I don’t really need game pass and there’s not a single game anymore that I need an Xbox for.

Yeah that’s cool and all but I can only summon so much enthusiasm for a service… I want to see games.

New 2D metroid is pretty good. Bringing advance wars back out of nowhere is great. BOTW 2 looking real nice. I can’t say either show was demonstrably better than the other, just depends on what you’re into.

i think MS had a good showing. I still feel uncomfortable with game pass - I feel like we’re being indoctrinated and there’s gonna be this gotcha moment where we’re gonna wish we could go back to how things were.

Wait are we genuinely declaring winners? I thought you were joking.