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So.... I'll admit it. I had to Google simp. Damn, yo.

Still gotta finish Astro but if Sackboy is even half as good as Demon's or Miles, I may agree. Hell, I can't wait to get into Planet Coaster. Props to the first two XBox's; they had a pretty decent lineup far as I remember. XBox highlights were Halo, Project Gotham, Oddworld, Cel Damage, Fusion Frenzy, and their attempts at a sports franchise at a time when each company had their own sports game 360, I remember Geometry Wars, Kameo, Amped, and Project Gotham 3. Probably the first one was best, but Geometry Wars was pretty damned cool. Might be worth a thread down the line!

Frame rate is probably near the top (even 30 fps many can play on if it's stable and not inconsistent), but load times have been a constant battle since the Saturn/PS1 days. Sometimes you don't realize how much you want something until you have it. I was able to play just fine without suspend/resume and I'll be damned if that wasn't really cool. The instant loads is another. Combined, it's da bess.

In case I'm giving the wrong impression, I thought Killzone looked very nice and even thought the individual things on Knack falling apart and coming together were really cool, as well as the particles in Resogun. I'm just not seeing what it was doing better than this gen considering the criteria you're giving, you know? We're talking cross-gen and disliking the number of cross-gen games, but you gave an instance of something the PS360 were doing as well, granted not looking as good while doing it. Even removing all the stuff about frame rate and all that, Miles Morales is a hugely impressive game despite being available on the PS4. Even in Fidelity mode, it plays very well and shows an absolutely bustling city with no problems I encountered. At 60fps with ray tracing, it's still lovely.

I hate to say it, but... yeah. I don't even mind the long-ass talk -- it's been fun to do and isn't anything personal -- but I'm just not seeing the train of logic he's using about cross-gen if something the PS360 could do constitutes "next-gen." It looks pretty on PS4/XBO! But this is totally not the point that was being made.

Yeah, like wtf? We're having this cross-gen discussion but you just shared a video of something that happened on a PS3, too. How was that next-gen?!?!?!

Ya, there are a few of them I encountered, but I specifically remember that one just because I viewed those "hints" as, "So this is what society has come to..." and I'm always amazed at how funny people can be with them.

I'm glad you were excited! But we're kind of back to, "I liked how this looked," which is quite different than all this cross-gen, bullshot, PC talk. That was also cross-gen, which I thought you didn't like?

Something like Crysis 3 running on a PC. You're currently arguing that a 900p 26-28fps on-rails Ryse is better than anything else you saw on anything at the time. I don't know what else to tell you, but that's not true. Reminds me of the, "If PS4 is more powerful, why is Ryse the best looking game on consoles?" I mean, I guess you can be "better looking" by going sub-1080p and not hitting 30fps all the time in a linear game, but that's one component, and it's why something like Demon's Souls, which its lightning quick load and impressive tech, is more notable with its mostly stable frame rate as a launch game. Even Miles Morales looks fucking amazing on PS5. Also, don't quote others, man: you've made 100 different points in the thread and now your argument basically boils down to being impressed with KZ and Ryse and getting excited at the time over fake demos of other games and a nothing trailer of UC4 which you backtracked on after I reminded you how long it took to see actual gameplay. That isn't what you said and isn't what you're arguing.

Dark Souls 3 and eventually Sekiro are on my list of games I have to play and miss shit on. I totally get doing offline, but I really do love the hints. I legit laughed out loud when someone put "society" by the bird lady.

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Okay, so you just didn't know what you were looking at if you thought that. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't gaming on PC because that's the only way what you're saying ITT makes any sense, but now it's just become more confusing since your entire argument is based on trailers doing bullshots and an incorrect assumption as to what you were seeing and fundamental misunderstanding as to the gaming atmosphere in 2013/2014.

Yes, I know you said loading times. Which is why I said, "Okay, you're not impressed because you had a PC with an SSD, so what did you see that a PC couldn't do last gen?" Killzone and Ryse looked really good and all stuff you can do on a PC, so I assume you were excited because you maybe weren't playing on PC at the time? Cuz I looked at Demon's Souls and Ratchet and thought the same thing: really impressed.

Good way of playing, yeah. I read a little about white tendency but I decided not to look at guides and pursue every optional thing the first time around because it's good to just try to do what you're able to do and then look for things you missed. Happened to me in Bloodborne: I killed that guy who houses people, one of the two areas besides Iosefka's clinic that you could bring people. I saw him and immediately attacked, and then I heard his dying words, "I was just trying to help." And I asked here, "Um... did I just do the right thing?" And I was told, look, you did it, so just keep playing and see how things turn out. There's nothing option you have to do to beat the game, so don't worry about it. And I found out that that totally wasn't what I should have done, but it's like, okay, I did that my first run, and that's how my playthrough was influenced. Now to change things up my second run. It was made worse by the fact that I NEVER talked to the first Iosefka to notice the change, so I was just like, "Oh sure dude, go to the clinic, enjoy."

I imported the Game of the Year Edition that had the Old Hunters on disc. It's probably one of my most treasured purchases because the base game by itself was lovely, but with Old Hunters, is was damn well perfect. I dunno if I like helping people with dungeons or Old Hunters more, but I spent hours upon hours just ringing the bell to co-op bosses like Lady Maria or Defiled Watchdog. I read the whole post, but specifically this part: this is why I'm confused about what we're talking about ITT. I can only assume I slipped into Bizarro World when last gen was uniformly hyped beyond measure with everyone excited about the future and totally not getting into countless arguments about how games aren't doing 60fps or the consoles being mid-range PCs. I mean I loved last gen, but nonstop excitement about the world of possibilities was totally not what the atmosphere was in totality early on. Yes, a lot of us were hyped about a lot of things, and the Share function was badass (but again was met with "But I was already streaming on PC"), but there was a lot of doubt as well, way more than now, because of this very mindset that the PS4/XB1 were doing what the previous gen did but way better.

I wonder what else you missed, then. White/Black tendency opens up different areas, quests, weapons, and items. It was in my second runthrough that I opened that gate at the beginning, and that among other things had me going, "Well shit, I missed a lot, didn't I?" Course, I was able to get pure black by accident in the Tower of Latria, so I got to fight and die to the Black Phantom there since I didn't know what dying in human form did. I don't know if the game ever really talks about it. One thing I did realize that I thought the game had glossed over is how to get super weapons from the superior blacksmith. I won't spoil anything if you haven't done it, but basically I thought, "How the hell was I supposed to know to give him this?" And then on my second runthrough, I talked with him and really paid attention and, yup, he tells you straight up what he would need. Ah, I love how the game tells you what to do but doesn't blare it out on speakers.

I thought if I was gonna look at something, seeing what items do was worthwhile, but I think the joke was that the loading screen was one of the hardest bosses in the game.

As I've said multiple times, if your reasoning is, "I had PC so I didn't say fucking finally to getting a solid state drive," and you're bringing up last-gen as a comparison point of the exciting possibilities of that gen, then it's a simple question: what did you see that was truly next-gen and had you excited last gen? You kept talking about the bullshot trailers, so what did you see if "But PC" is why you're not impressed now? It's a simple question.

I was amazed from the get-go, especially when I compared it to Bloodborne's character creation screen and remembering how I thought, "Huh, looks different than I expected," when I saw it. Not a knock on that game because it's up there as one of my favs of last gen; I'm just talking graphically. I'll echo what xbob said about being built for fast loads. I didn't have a PS5 yet, so I had to just kind of imagine what he meant when he said the load times in Demon's Souls were refreshing because they were built for fast load screens whereas the quick loading on PC was clearly made for games expecting load screens, which is why you always had hints on it. I kind of understood it, but seeing the fog quickly get you from one world to another is atmospheric, a nice touch, and yes, clearly what the game was made to do instead of, "If a boss attacks you, press L2 to parry." And again, not a knock on the game because I fucking love it and I'm sure I'll play it again this year, but I remember Bloodborne's load times initially and am doubly impressed.

YOU WENT THERE AND BROUGHT IT UP.

Ja. Tendency is like karma. You can have pure black or pure white. If you die in human form in a level, it affects world tendency and makes it darker. However, if you kill yourself in the Nexus, it has no affect at all. There's a lot more that goes into it, but this pic from Reset is a good visual:

But it's not because I keep asking you what was so impressive in 2013 if "But PC" is your response to strides in gaming now. "But PC" was absolutely the refrain in 2013/2014 when talking about next-gen consoles.

It's a true statement, not a bad statement. N64/Nintendo handhelds don't really change anything. What exactly were you seeing on the PS4/XBO back in the day that was more than "the next step in an evolution?" What were you seeing that you couldn't see on PC, which was a hugely more debated point in 2013/2014 than now? Because again, if the argument is, "But PC," then your argument falls apart because that point was belabored at the beginning of last gen. "If you're gaming on PC, these consoles aren't really cutting edge." And that was annoying even then lol. You literally can say the same thing for cinematic trailers last gen, so I'm still not sure what you're saying? You were hyped by deceptive promos that you clearly don't think were good for gamers or honest, so the only difference is that I guess you weren't playing on PC then? Because you're just straight-up incorrect that all trailers are nothing but cinematic nowadays.

On a related note, since skillz was part of the convo and one of the ones I responded to, I specifically remember him not thinking Donald was a force of nature who has never been experienced before but more a populist who was simply using 21st century technolog, unless I'm remembering wrong. So in his case, I don't think I'm really disagreeing with him because his perspective was different than the "Teflon Don" ones, I think.

I think my agreement is on the system. A lot of people look at Trump as this guy that overcomes anything, and I think b_m put some good historical context to why people and political journalists think as they do, but I blame how much of the system relies on norms (which has become more apparent now than ever), and further proof of how bad the electoral college is.