Mr.Vic20

My take is that while its easy to say Nvidia is simply greedy, I would argue that its a combination of greed and genuine nerd ambition! These cards are jam packed with some seriously crazy tech, even if we just see them like a yearly refresh of a cellphone or tablet. They simply are not, these things are becoming like high end sports cars. I'm not suggesting that 1,200.00 is a reasonable price for a consumer GPU, but I would bet that selling the 2080ti anywhere below 950 would probably be a cash lost for Nvidia, per unit. 

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Yes, I did. I haven't played it yet though, will tonight! @Kal-El814 recommended it to me! 

1 minute ago, Jason said:

 

This was more than 10 words.

I was hoping to get fired! 

On 8/17/2018 at 12:22 PM, Bloodporne said:

Scream at foremen and demand change orders. 

All of your change orders are in my EPM system! I swear they are done, just waiting for sign off on step process 15! 

OK

2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

I’m actually a bit worried that nVidia will skip full HDMI 2.1 support, mostly VRR, in some BS attempt to push their upcoming TVs/Large-Scale Monitors.  

That is a really reasonable concern! 

I've been looking forward to an update on this one! 

It does seem as if Nvidia has pushed this feature out the door without enough time for their partners to work out all of the dents. Also, I think its fair to say that bolting on features, late in development, is always worse for a game then building it from the ground up with the intent in mind. All of that though doesn't explain why we are struggling to achieve 1080P. That is discouraging. Again though, I'll wait and see. 

@legend I think this might turn out to be one of those, Praise the engineers, but mock the CEO moments! Nvidia's engineers do deserve praise for always moving the needle forward as best they can, but the CEO is ultimately responsible for making the call on what's practically ready for the lime light. If they can deliver on the RTX promise while keeping competitive performance with the 10xx series then I think they have the high ground in claiming victory. If not then they should still be praised for even getting this off the ground, but consumers should probably still keep a wide berth form this first generation of RTX cards due to either price or performance or maybe both. 

One thing is for sure, and that is that the backlash will be, justifiably or not, harsh and Nvidia will need to respond soon. I hope they respond with verifiable benchmarks and not more PR speak, but we'll see! regardless, the next month should  prove to be quite interesting ! 

This is the double edged sword of Nvidia's approach. On the one hand they are promising what no one else is, the so called "holy grail" of graphics, Ray tracing (though its not a 100% true solution, but rather a very convincing alternative solution) On the other hand, they have done what Nvidia does namely:

1.) Waste 90 minutes of our lives explaining graphic technologies to people who already have decent understanding of said graphics tech.

2.) Promising the moon!

3.) Using charts that mean very little at best and are out right lies at worst!

4.) And price gouging the consumer with the impunity of an arrogant Sony back in the day. 

Now that the dust has settled on Nvidia's reveal, and the gaming "Press" that quite frankly were writing breathless pieces of hyperbole like a rapid fire machine gun over the last month, have only now been turning the corner on asking some practical questions. This is not thier fault specifically, as Nvidia is handing out only PR crap if anything. But still, the back swing on the initial excitement will be brutal in the coming weeks. With prices sky high and the consumer skeptical as all Hell, there aren't too many good narratives likely to emerge between now and mid September when these cards launch.

My, unproven take, is that the 2080ti is likely to perform at or around the speed of the Titan V in non RTX games. In RTX games, I suspect, I'll have to down shift from 4K to 1440P to pick up the use of this new feature. So I guess it will be time to truly put to the test the concept of "Prettier pixels" vs resolution. 

Shit could get DICE-y!

https://wccftech.com/tomb-raider-nvidia-rtx-gamescom-demo/

2 minutes ago, Reputator said:

 

LOLra Croft

 

Worse than PhysX.

7 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Neither does Best Buy (anymore)

Well then, the evidence seems to be piling up! 

2 minutes ago, morph89 said:

Can't forget the good ol' "Ultra" cards as well (yeah yeah, not an abbreviation, but still).

 good call! I forgot about those! 

2 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said:

I'm shocked you didn't buy 4 2080 TIs!

SLI is for suckers! Oh wait, damn it. I see what you've done here. Well played! 

1 minute ago, Spork3245 said:

 

Filled with Zunes!

My wife and I each bought a Zune prior to getting together, so I can confirm that we have at least two here! 

3 minutes ago, Biggie said:

I swear you buy everything. I picture your house to look like a Best Buy.  

Preposterous! I have no Music CD racks... 

3 minutes ago, Biggie said:

So I gotta know who pre-ordered this first? @Mr.Vic20 or @stepee

It was me, but just by a minute or two! 

1 minute ago, Jason said:

If you go on the nVidia site, everything in the 10 series is GTX 10xx. So I don't see how "top tier cards" is what it could be for. And wouldn't that imply that RTX isn't their top tier this time around?

It started that way and has now morphed into just another part of the their nonsensical marketing puke. Trust me, its the way its meant to be played! 

Just now, Brick said:

What exactly is the difference with the Founder's Edition cards? Aren't they just the first ones released, and there is no spec difference, maybe only a cosmetic difference, so really you're paying an extra $200 just to say you got one first? Is that right? 

They are Nvidia's own brand, that's it. They actually don't perform any better than the 3rd parties, in fact historically they are a touch slower after 3rd parties tweak theirs. But you get them sooner, usually by a month. 

GTX is NVIDIA's top tier cards. Its a visual indication of power. It doesnt stand for anything.

Previously they used: GT>GTS>GS>SE.

2 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

 

I think they're out of the high end GPU game until the second half of 2020 when their new architecture comes out.  AMD knows that GCN ran out of room for meaningful tweaks on the high end and they know it doesn't scale past a certain point. AMD still is making Vega on 7nm for datacenters/deep learning, and Lisa mentioned that they are focusing a lot of the new R&D money on AI software, so it seems they have every intention of building high end graphics chips, it's just they have to wait for the successor to GCN before they try to fight Nvidia at that tier.  It would be a mistake to think AMD is out permanently.

Hmmm, I certainly hope this is true, but they will be returning to an even more competitive market than the one they fell out of last year! Don't get me wrong, I miss the days of AMD offering up the muscle car, all speed no frills, equivalent of power compared to Nvidia's Lincoln town car luxury approach! 

That title change!