AbsolutSurgen Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 COP26: China and India must explain themselves, says Sharma WWW.BBC.COM COP26 President Alok Sharma speaks after an agreement to "phase down" coal rather than "phase out". India's the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Hmm. While it's true that India is not the main problem, that graph is per capita, and doesn't take raw figures into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Also, India is dirt poor. The more it modernizes, the more it's people will want Western luxuries, and energy use will go up considerably. Not to mention India is already an environmental disaster just based on the amount of pollution in the air and the trash it its rivers and streets. So to hold up India as one of the "good" countries regarding planetary stewardship is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 18 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Hmm. While it's true that India is not the main problem, that graph is per capita, and doesn't take raw figures into account. India's total power from fossil fuels is about 40% of the US's output -- despite having more than 4x the population. They are at about 20% of China's output -- despite having very similar populations. 13 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Also, India is dirt poor. The more it modernizes, the more it's people will want Western luxuries, and energy use will go up considerably. Not to mention India is already an environmental disaster just based on the amount of pollution in the air and the trash it its rivers and streets. So to hold up India as one of the "good" countries regarding planetary stewardship is laughable. Who did that? In terms of putting carbon in the air for easy things like generating electricity -- how can the US dare point at anybody? They and China ARE the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unogueen Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Either China and India modernize, or millions die needlessly. Hard to take the global north seriously when so many are stalling any change at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said: India's total power from fossil fuels is about 40% of the US's output -- despite having more than 4x the population. They are at about 20% of China's output -- despite having very similar populations. Who did that? In terms of putting carbon in the air for easy things like generating electricity -- how can the US dare point at anybody? They and China ARE the problem. If you are trying to create plans and policies for the future, trends and projections are kinda the point. As an example https://www.statista.com/statistics/270500/percentage-change-in-co2-emissions-in-selected-countries/ The level of emissions by India even in another 20 years if their trends just stay steady (and there is reason to believe the rate will increase), the amount of emissions will no longer be the sort of thing a person can hand wave away because other countries are worse in 2021. Developed nations can do a lot to help India continue to develop but in a way that doesn’t further tax the environment. And we should as the beneficiaries of the industrial revolution and the carbon economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: If you are trying to create plans and policies for the future, trends and projections are kinda the point. As an example https://www.statista.com/statistics/270500/percentage-change-in-co2-emissions-in-selected-countries/ The level of emissions by India even in another 20 years if their trends just stay steady (and there is reason to believe the rate will increase), the amount of emissions will no longer be the sort of thing a person can hand wave away because other countries are worse in 2021. Developed nations can do a lot to help India continue to develop but in a way that doesn’t further tax the environment. And we should as the beneficiaries of the industrial revolution and the carbon economy. Countries need to take action -- US's plans of reductions are not dependent on what India does. The US needs to do something, rather than just point fingers at others. How much renewable energy has been put online THIS year, not some fanciful future promise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Countries need to take action -- US's plans of reductions are not dependent on what India does. The US needs to do something, rather than just point fingers at others. How much renewable energy has been put online THIS year, not some fanciful future promise? Your article is about Sharma, who is not an American…what are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Your article is about Sharma, who is not an American…what are you talking about? You're American -- I was talking to you wasn't i? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: You're American -- I was talking to you wasn't i? When you said “the US” you meant me on an individual level. Right right right 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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