Commodore D

Your dedication brings me back once or twice a year.

You know, when you aren't around people a lot (because of Covid), then the kids and wife (no shot either) go back to school, its a bit easier to catch things (the rest of the house was sick last week). It just came over me today, have a tissue in my nose as I type; I'll probably be over it by the weekend; may be well enough for my trip to New Jersey Monday.

If I show up, and they say this bed is yours, I'll take it. I'll receive the care of which I'm paying, like any other person would. All about helping others, even at my (financial) expense, if it makes sense.

Now @Joe I don't troll (well maybe a little, but I let it be know); I'm trying to engage in constructive dialog (have a cold, works done, kinda bored, after months D1P it is).

Naw, a lot of talk out of the government seems to be state subservient. Not pinning it on the current administration, its all around, been around, grows more and more each day.

You can say far better, but it doesn't move the needle much when that chance of hospitalization and death (the end goal of the developed shot) are already minute. I'd basically be rolling the dice in either situation.

Agreed and understood.

You remain vulnerable after getting it; and by the numbers my vulnerability doesn't change much if I have it or not.

Sure, but (yes anecdotal) I know a couple people that got the shot and were down longer than my three days (one ended up in the hospital, precautionary). A lot of other factors (overall health) seem to be at play in those cases. Same could be said for people that have gotten Covid after the shot.

What's the finger prick one called? Got it at CVS. Edit: it was the antibody test.

Whose to say I don't get sick from getting the shot as well? I could also get just as sick as I was if I had the shot.

Lol right, while death is the most influential component; its likely that I wouldn't be down long (as evident from my recent case), nor need the hospital. It did suck though, I understood how people could die from it; if your body is working overtime to keep you alive anyway, that'll put you down. Professionally, it doesn't really make a difference, I just wont travel, or turn on my camera, or at worse "take off work."

If its offered, sure. I pay for plenty of things that aren't my issue, could be avoided by others; such is life not as a hermit.

The key word is growing.

I'm not lying, it should be well known here I am a man of faith.

I'm glad you mentioned that, I didn't want to be the one that brings up what we are seeing in Israel.

Sad how Herman Cain is used; really should be someone that is championed (especially in the black community) based on life and career.

NVSS - Provisional Death Counts for COVID-19 - Executive Summary WWW.CDC.GOV National Center for Health Statistics I don't fall into the major buckets of people that are dying. I haven't ran the number since the summer, but at the time I had p value of ~.0003; stating that it was improbably that I would die from Covid. That's good enough evidence that I don't need it. @sblfilms again I get mass vaccination, and you don't need me to get to a herd immunity state, especially in a country like you stated where 80% of the people should get the shot.

You mean like the flu? Looks like the same trajectory; timed protection because the virus changes. There is no evidence that this will be any different; its currently being researched.

I will when Absolutesurgen show his/hers/its.

Yeah, I haven't had a sense of smell in almost two years. Crazy when the wife gets in the car and says "mmmm, doesn't have Tika Masla smell delicious," and I didn't even notice. That was noticed March 2020.

Yes, your status as fully vaccinated changes based on the timing of your last shot, and or booster. They are currently researching the long term need for annual boosters (heck Moderna has a flu/covid hybrid on tap). You are ignoring the math behind the chances that are being taken. Based on that, it really doesn't make a difference for me. I don't have an issue getting a vaccine; I do have issue with taking something that makes little difference for my situation (provides no real upside), that I may have to continue to get. Again, if the boosters are not needed, I'd be fine with it.

Agreed (well expect that I do understand mass vaccination). While it may be silly to say, it is a fact. One of my hopes that come out of this is that there is more pressure to address those issues instead of ignoring them because of the economic benefits. All in all, if I am presented with a well vetted vaccine, that is close to one and done; I'd be in line to get it if coerced (work, travel, etc..). At the moment, based on the math and science, it does not make sense for me to accept the coercion.

No, you just have no backing, trying to escape that fact, my argument hasn't been in bad faith, its plainly laid out.

Its actually easier in other countries; I've been looking; some fantastic destinations out there for me to early retire.