Commodore D

6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Trump was openly trying to rush a vaccine to be approved before the election before stage 3 results were released.

 

A vaccine is needed, even if you were previously infected (confirmed through a pcr test or a rapid test?) 

And per CDC:

Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:

 

Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19.

Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19.

Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.

I'm with you on all of that; except the term fully vaccinated; as that status changes (research has shown), just as it does for a person with natural immunity. That brings me to the issue of continued boosters; I have no interest in that, I'd rather take my chances. 

Just now, sblfilms said:

Why do those things concern you? And why would you be more concerned about something marginally related to the Covid vaccine they developed over all they have published about the actual vaccine in question?

 

If you believe the material they submitted in 2019, one would assume you would believe the materials they have submitted in 2020 and 2021.

I'm wired that way, a lot of that type of information is use to make decisions (professionally, personally). Yes, I feel the same about the material they have presented in 2020 and 2021 and that's where I get the it doesn't really make a difference personally; its based on their or the rest of the scientific communities data. If they shot drastically changed things for me, I would take it; you all seem to think I'm against it, I'm not, just for me at this time. 

2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

Also clearly not giving a shit about the danger you present to everyone around you.

 

@Commissar SFLUFAN I say we institute a vaccine passport for D1P and ban anyone who doesn't provide proof.

I'm only a danger to you if your shot doesn't work; which then means everyone is a danger to you as they can still pass it along.

Really, I'm less likely to be a to danger to you  as I know when I'm ill; so its less likely that you'd come in contact with me. 

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Imagine being ok with risking your own life against a deadly virus instead of getting vaccinated with a safe, effective, and free vaccine. Mind bogglingly stupid.

You are ignoring that by the numbers I'm in the same boat in either case; why take something that by the numbers isn't needed? It would be stupid to do something that doesn't need to be done. 

I also find it funny how gun ho you all are about the shot, as when it was being talked about being ready by the end of 2020, you all talked about how not enough time was taken and how the President is lying about its potential effectiveness. 

4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

This of course is completely incorrect. The evidence is overwhelming that it does massively reduce the changes of you catching it, and also reduces the chances of you passing it to others (as fully vaccinated people are less contagious).

Funny how you speak in an absolute, then your supporting evidence lacks the absolution. My statement is correct based on your own statement. Even Fauci has stated such.

24 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

No, also filled with perfectly healthy people with no prior comorbidities because everyone is healthy until they aren't.

An obese person is perfectly healthy? A person with diabetes is perfectly healthy? 

16 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

I've largely given up arguing with anti-vaxers.  Their arguments are normally at best semi-coherent and are always in bad faith.

Put in vaccine passports, or employer-required vaccination.  Once people have a personal motivation to get vaccinated (i.e. the loss of income, the loss of the ability to go to restaurants/movies/stadiums, go to school, etc.) they mostly do.

Fortunately we live in a world where little of that can't be worked around (for some). 

1 minute ago, sblfilms said:

The J&J vaccine was never taken off the market. Even during the “pause”, you could still get it, and the only reason for the pause was to give guidance to doctors and hospitals on how to treat patients who had received it if they had certain symptoms.

 

What particular issue do you have with what Moderna submitted?

Got it, seemed to go away in my area, I was unscheduled.

The control charts in the presentation speak to a lack of consistency in the process. Their concern about how to get it tested on a large scale. Past results from other companies that work on similar technology. Their concern about FDA approval. Its a few hundred pages, but a great read. 

21 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

I've largely given up arguing with anti-vaxers.  Their arguments are normally at best semi-coherent and are always in bad faith.

Put in vaccine passports, or employer-required vaccination.  Once people have a personal motivation to get vaccinated (i.e. the loss of income, the loss of the ability to go to restaurants/movies/stadiums, go to school, etc.) they mostly do.

First, I'm not an anti-vaxxer; I, like my kids have all the well tested normal vaccines out there; heck I have some for yellow fever and other regional outliers.

May you please provide a coherent argument for getting the shot? I haven't heard one in a long time as the narratives (can't catch, can't pass) have fallen apart.

I'm in the airport at least 6 times a month, and you know what you hear all over the speakers, "if you have flu like symptoms, go home, quarantine, most recover on their own," that's really the only true statement that is out there; non political, no virtue signaling, just factual. 

Just now, sblfilms said:

The vaccines absolutely do decrease the chance of catching Covid, which decreases the chance of you being a vector of transmission.

 

This is less of an issue since you have had a prior infection, but you can be 100% certain you did not have it in October 2019  

 

Unless you have a legit health reason not to, I’d go get the J&J and not have to deal with the potential consequences of not being vaccinated, like employer mandates.

J&J was my initially plan, was on schedule to get it, then it was taken off the market. That was what really changed my mind to no, not at all.

No interest in the Moderna or Pfizer after reading the SI Moderna provided the government in November 2019. 

Just now, Ghost_MH said:

 

Just promise not to use up hospital resources if you do catch COVID. Right now, hospitals across the world are struggling to meet to demand and refusing patients because they're filled with unvaccinated patients.

Filled with unvaccinated patients with comorbids. We should tell those people to stay out first, as they have the major issue. 

4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

I've already been accused by my former roommate of being willing to accept the "negative" effects of vaccine mandates on people as "collateral damage".

 

My response was, "I was part of the United States military and I work with the United States military.  Trust me, I'm all about 'collateral damage' when it comes to attaining my objective or for what I perceive as the 'greater good' ".

Yet in this case you really can't speak to a greater good. There is little evidence that shows the shot will stop this pandemic; see counties that have higher shot rates. 

Also, if you were truly about collateral damage ending this pandemic, you would be about not getting the shot, letting all those with comorbids die, and the recoverable live on. Maybe you were for not shutting down the country and letting it all play out; I'd have to look back, or you can state your previous position. 

6 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

 

Prior COVID-19 Infection Provides Strong Immunity, Vaccines Add More

WWW.HEALTHLINE.COM

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According to two recent, non-peer-reviewed studies, people who recovered from a previous COVID-19 infection produced a robust immune response that was superior to vaccination alone, and adding one or more vaccine doses offered even stronger protection.

 

I started to asked for peer reviewed material (as there is plenty at the NIH that speaks in the other direction, but lacks peer review), but that's fine. 

Still doesn't address my booster concern; that of which I have no interest. 

Also doesn't speak to how I would be helping the greater society.

3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

No, you didn't

 

Just lol

Not saying I had it, but man it was everything that came out in the beginning. Wouldn't surprise me if I had, Japan was loaded with the world at the time because of the Rugby World Cup. Also, if you're just saying that I wasn't there, just check Tokyo Club Crawl #600 on Facebook, you'll find a couple pictures of me. 

1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

It would potentially provide another layer of antibody protection in addition to that which you already have from your previous infection.

Have anything scientific that speaks to that extra layer of protection? 

Also, how does that benefit the greater society? I mean, I know that was the initial (unscientific) narrative; that has basically eroded to protect yourself; but there needs to be more than just words. 

1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

Because you're thinking of yourself and not greater society by getting the vaccine despite the chances of it having any negative effect upon you being absolutely negligible.

What would me getting it do for the greater society? I've been waiting on that answer for a long time. If a great one can be given, I'd be amendable.

5 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

In summary, you're being a weak-willed, selfish coward about it.

 

Got it.

How am I being selfish? Just following the science and math.

4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said:

 

If it involves "fetal cell lines", then he'd better not use any of these other medications:

 

I could have actually passed all that before my last Covid bout.

Just now, sblfilms said:

Why aren’t you getting vaccinated?

The math doesn't make sense for me (age, lack of comorbids, life style) to get it. 

Shot, no shot; based on all the scientific data provided my designation doesn't change. Add in that it doesn't keep me from catching or passing it, and the unknowing booster cycle (I've never had a flu shot), there is little to no benefit of me taking it.

Lastly, I've had Covid at least once (a month ago), and maybe twice (Oct 2019 coming back from Japan). Took me out for about three days the most recent time, even had to take some pain medication (generic Tylenol) for the first time since 2008 (half a vicadon, broken wrist). I can deal with that. 

Standing with Kyrie. 

Will be interesting to see if my company gets to the point of shot mandates; I'm prepared to give them my religious exemption, as well as if that fails for them to let me go. I don't think it will happen though, we just made a huge acquisition and some of the main people (PhD chemists | engineers; management) asked to stay on said they would quit if the shot was mandated. That should offer me some protection.

2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Dems running the senate and house and presidency blaming the Republicans is gonna fall on deaf ears

No, it will fall on dumb ears who will listen and believe the blame game. In reality, the Dems don't need the Republican vote, they are avoiding the perception of the growing totalitarian state of which we are currently governed. 

On 3/5/2021 at 8:45 PM, johnny said:

at work sometimes i am taking a fat shit on company dime 

At work was my preferred place, scheduled meetings around my morning and afternoon "sessions." I was all about making chocolate zebras out of those bowls. 

Seems no one is asking the question, "what if there was voter fraud?" Just jumping to, "we'll take actions."

January 2021 way more interesting than January 2020. Buckle up and put on your crash helmets.

If it does, I'm buying. 

The one eye solute in the picture tells me all I need to know.