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9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I mean I should be preparing for an interview I have tomorrow but someone is wrong on the internet

2 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

I am up in the bucket of a 45 foot boom lift working on a screen, but I still have time to tell wrong person on the internet that they are wrong. Don’t let anybody question your dedication to the cause of fighting guy on the internet who is wrong

Your dedication brings me back once or twice a year. 

6 minutes ago, Joe said:

You sound like you get sick a lot, strong immune system dude

You know, when you aren't around people a lot (because of Covid), then the kids and wife (no shot either) go back to school, its a bit easier to catch things (the rest of the house was sick last week). It just came over me today, have a tissue in my nose as I type; I'll probably be over it by the weekend; may be well enough for my trip to New Jersey Monday. 

7 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

That's the trick. They don't actually offer it. The only way unvaccinated don't take up hospital beds is if the beds are already filled or they just decide to stay home and not seek medical attention when their oxygen levels plummet.

 

 

Everything I try to do is from the perspective of how it helps someone that isn't me. Honestly, I'm probably further down the line in that regard than I really should be, but that's life after being raised the way I was. My father was the kind of pastor that spent nothing on himself other than a new sci-fi DVD or Blu-ray, once a month. Even that bit he had given up on his final few years. Everything he had he pretty much gave right away. I spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about others, whole also not having much patience for people that needlessly put others at risk. It's why I've got no issue chewing friends out for speeding or ripping into family for driving themselves to a hospital while getting faint because they put other people on the road at risk. Like fuck your desire to save a $1k on ambulance fees, you could have killed someone else on the road.

 

I don't want COVID. I'm asthmatic, so that's a problem, but even if it weren't...I have kids. If I'm in the hospital, who is watching them? My wife? It's she just quitting her job then? How are we going to pay the bills then? What if me being in the hospital and taking up a bed means that a cancer patient can't get surgery and ends up dying early because of it? That life is now on me.

If I show up, and they say this bed is yours, I'll take it. I'll receive the care of which I'm paying, like any other person would. 

All about helping others, even at my (financial) expense, if it makes sense. 

3 minutes ago, Joe said:

Dude is fucking trolling and y’all are bored.

Now @Joe I don't troll (well maybe a little, but I let it be know); I'm trying to engage in constructive dialog (have a cold, works done, kinda bored, after months D1P it is). 

36 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

It's really not you're just full of shit

Naw, a lot of talk out of the government seems to be state subservient. Not pinning it on the current administration, its all around, been around, grows more and more each day. 

4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

You significantly reduce your chances to catch the virus with vaccination, not eliminate it, not even natural derived immunity can do this. Your vulnerability is significant reduced with the shot as well, in addition to protecting you far better against hospitalization and death.

 

Rolling the dice on not getting vaccinated is stupid and an exercise in hubris of the highest order.

You can say far better, but it doesn't move the needle much when that chance of hospitalization and death (the end goal of the developed shot) are already minute. I'd basically be rolling the dice in either situation. 

2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

So an antibody test. Without further testing it may not have actually been SARS-CoV-2 as false positives can happen; it may have been another coronavirus. In addition, per the Mayo clinic, a positive antibody test does not necessarily mean you are immune from SARS-CoV-2 infection

Agreed and understood. 

14 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Dieing isn't the only bad thing to happen, and personally I don't like getting sick at all so I can't understand why you would go out of your way to remain vulnerable

You remain vulnerable after getting it; and by the numbers my vulnerability doesn't change much if I have it or not. 

Just now, sblfilms said:

The average time of negative effects of vaccination is waaaaay shorter than even your relatively short three day illness!

Sure, but (yes anecdotal) I know a couple people that got the shot and were down longer than my three days (one ended up in the hospital, precautionary). A lot of other factors (overall health) seem to be at play in those cases.  Same could be said for people that have gotten Covid after the shot. 

3 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

What type of test did you get to confirm your previous infection?

What's the finger prick one called? Got it at CVS.

Edit: it was the antibody test.

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Dieing isn't the only bad thing to happen, and personally I don't like getting sick at all so I can't understand why you would go out of your way to remain vulnerable

Whose to say I don't get sick from getting the shot as well? I could also get just as sick as I was if I had the shot.

6 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Why is your only concern being dead? Three days of illness sucks on a personal level and is incredibly costly to me on a professional level. I am happy to get vaccinated to greatly reduce the likelihood of even that outcome!

 

And I get that you are free riding  

Lol right, while death is the most influential component; its likely that I wouldn't be down long (as evident from my recent case), nor need the hospital. It did suck though, I understood how people could die from it; if your body is working overtime to keep you alive anyway, that'll put you down.

 Professionally, it doesn't really make a difference, I just wont travel, or turn on my camera, or at worse "take off work."

1 minute ago, Ghost_MH said:

 

Yeah, but if you did get sick from COVID and needed to be hospitalized would you go take up a hospital bed that could be used by some non-COVID-related issue?

If its offered, sure. I pay for plenty of things that aren't my issue, could be avoided by others; such is life not as a hermit.

1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

The last part of this is pure nonsense

The key word is growing. 

10 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

They've already admitted they are lying about the religious exemption, using it as a loophole. 

I'm not lying, it should be well known here I am a man of faith. 

6 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

I am curious why you think this when we are seeing better stats out of the prior infection/no vaccine cohort in comparison to the greater than 6 months since second dose of Pfizer cohort in Israel.

I'm glad you mentioned that, I didn't want to be the one that brings up what we are seeing in Israel. 

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

Took less than a week for reddit to start clamping down on the Herman Cain Award sub after that Slate article. Some of the changes they're forcing negate why the sub was effective at getting a lot of people to get vaccinated.

 

r/HermanCainAward gets new rules from Admins. users not happy : SubredditDrama

OLD.REDDIT.COM

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The sub for cataloguing the ironic deaths of Covid deniers/antivaxxers through their social media posts was forced to amend its rules today....

 

Sad how Herman Cain is used; really should be someone that is championed (especially in the black community) based on life and career.

7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

I don't care what they have to say about this, the burden is on you to prove that all the math and science "proves" you don't need jt

I don't fall into the major buckets of people that are dying. I haven't ran the number since the summer, but at the time I had p value of ~.0003; stating that it was improbably that I would die from Covid. That's good enough evidence that I don't need it.

@sblfilms again I get mass vaccination, and you don't need me to get to a herd immunity state, especially in a country like you stated where 80% of the people should get the shot.

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

This isn't how viruses work, they change and evolve. But that the vaccines protect against all variants right now shows promise for future protection. Same can not be said about infection from the virus itself.

You mean like the flu? Looks like the same trajectory; timed protection because the virus changes. There is no evidence that this will be any different; its currently being researched.

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Show your work instead of merely pronouncing it

I will when Absolutesurgen show his/hers/its.

5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

Clearly that so called previous covid infection must have left a long covid symptom

Yeah, I haven't had a sense of smell in almost two years. Crazy when the wife gets in the car and says "mmmm, doesn't have Tika Masla smell delicious," and I didn't even notice. That was noticed March 2020. 

1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said:

"That status changes (research has shown)" what the fuck are you talking about?? What research? That we might need annual boosters or something like that? Right now fully vaccinated means two weeks after two shots of mRNA or one of J&J, boosters for olds and immunocompromised.

 

Why take chances? There's a whole lot of negatives and no upside to remaining unvaccinated. Why do you have no interest in being vaccinated? 

Yes, your status as fully vaccinated changes based on the timing of your last shot, and or booster. They are currently researching the long term need for annual boosters (heck Moderna has a flu/covid hybrid on tap). 

You are ignoring the math behind the chances that are being taken. Based on that, it really doesn't make a difference for me.

I don't have an issue getting a vaccine; I do have issue with taking something that makes little difference for my situation (provides no real upside), that I may have to continue to get. Again, if the boosters are not needed, I'd be fine with it.

1 minute ago, sblfilms said:

I don’t think you are against it, I think you fundamentally misunderstand why we do mass vaccination of communicable disease. Certainly there can be personal benefits, like not being sick enough you needed to take pin meds for the first time in over a decade, but the societal benefits of vaccination should be now abundantly clear to somebody using logic and reason.

 

Even the hospitals that have capacity for more patients are struggling with staffing due to burnout amongst their employees. Many places have been back to putting off non-emergency surgeries (which include things like cancer surgeries!) because they simply don’t have the staffing to do so.

 

And who is putting these hospitals under prolonged stress? Right now, it is the unvaccinated. And it’s honestly a bit silly to say “only those with co-morbidities” when you live in a country in which something like 80% of the adult population has one or more of them. And these aren’t conditions that are solvable in any short order. 

Agreed (well expect that I do understand mass vaccination).

While it may be silly to say, it is a fact. One of my hopes that come out of this is that there is more pressure to address those issues instead of ignoring them because of the economic benefits.

All in all, if I am presented with a well vetted vaccine, that is close to one and done; I'd be in line to get it if coerced (work, travel, etc..). At the moment, based on the math and science, it does not make sense for me to accept the coercion.

1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

I don't have the slightest inclination of having a discussion with you about your bad faith arguments.

No, you just have no backing, trying to escape that fact, my argument hasn't been in bad faith, its plainly laid out.

1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

 

Thank god I no longer live in your country.

Its actually easier in other countries; I've been looking; some fantastic destinations out there for me to early retire.